Jalpa thread | Page 15 | FerrariChat

Jalpa thread

Discussion in 'LamborghiniChat.com' started by SVJTech, Nov 12, 2009.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    #351 Olivier NAMECHE, Jan 6, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    thanks Raymond...

    BTW, while owning your Jalpa and with your voluntee to upgrade it, have you considered to have another exhaust custom made ?

    Looking at this picture, I'm sure it is possible to improve it.

    I'm wondering to know the room available both side and underneath...
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  2. raymondQV

    raymondQV F1 Rookie

    Aug 22, 2007
    4,059
    Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Raymond S.
    I had the Ansa exhaust from the Urraco P300 on my Jalpa, for the headers there are already replacement in SS available from Quicksilver exhaust in UK.

    No need to reinvent the wheel... as there is no room in the engine bay and underneath, just browse through my Website:
    http://www.jalpa.ch/EngineRemove/index.html
     
  3. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

    Feb 23, 2006
    6,854
    Italia
    you are correct: the stock muffler is heavy and restrictive

    put a sport one (ANSA, QSetc..) and the car will sure benefit
     
  4. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    I did already, and your web is very interesting indeed.

    But I'm considering there is sufficient space to built spaghetti instead of stock collectors,
    this added to smaller resonnators and direct pipe should increase result by +20hp.

    Another fact I'm noticing is the airbox... if I'm correct it gets hot air ?
     
  5. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

    Feb 23, 2006
    6,854
    Italia
    it should get fresh air from the side vent...like in the countach but on one side only ...not 100% sure but it looks like this
     
  6. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    #356 Olivier NAMECHE, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Not at all on the Urraco P250 S, I inspected recently, the air is coming from underneath and engine side, the box is also reversed to the ground.

    So the aspirated air is partially hot considering the temperature radius of the exhaust and engine...

    In circle 1, you see the scoop of left side vent

    In circle 2, you see the air entrance of boxwith air filter before forwading the air to the 2 banks.

    I believe the Jalpa is identical...
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  7. P300V8

    P300V8 Formula 3

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,645
    London U.K.
    Not so. For the P300, Silhouette and Jalpa the fuel filler is locted on the opposite side of the engine bay. This allows the revised air intake to draw air from the exterior.
     
  8. P300V8

    P300V8 Formula 3

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,645
    London U.K.
    #358 P300V8, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  9. BRAVO-V8

    BRAVO-V8 Formula Junior

    Dec 7, 2008
    253
    LYON (France)
    I think that is it for this reason that they moved the fuel filler from left to right, for having fresh air
     
  10. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    so if I understand, the air box is completely closed - all sides including bottom/engine side - and air is coming only from external upper left air vent to the top left side of the box.
     
  11. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    #361 Olivier NAMECHE, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I can also notice on your pic there is a separation underneath the air box in order to prevent temperature radius to have an impact, isn'it.

    this latest model pic has another configuration & design
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  12. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

    Feb 23, 2006
    6,854
    Italia
    this is a US model
     
  13. raymondQV

    raymondQV F1 Rookie

    Aug 22, 2007
    4,059
    Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Raymond S.
    For P300 and P350 - YES.
     
  14. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

    Feb 23, 2006
    6,854
    Italia
    that is what i thought
    you can see the intake in the pics
     
  15. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    OK for the clarification.

    But I don't get it...

    Why the design of the air flow has to pass through an air box, the filter, then splitted into 2 hoses to enter in each box on top of Webber ? is there inside that box another air filter ? or is it an empty box covering the Webber ?

    All this scenario is slowing down the air flow versus the original goal to feed quickly the Webber.

    Don't you think it is easy modification to bring fresh air flow directly to the box on top of Webber and to fit inside it a specific air filter - K&N - like on any Lambo front V12 ?
     
  16. P300V8

    P300V8 Formula 3

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,645
    London U.K.
    #366 P300V8, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    The euro Jalpa airboxes (see post 345) were deeper than the ones on the P300 . These graphics appeared on a very few 3.0 airboxes.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  17. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    #367 Olivier NAMECHE, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  18. P300V8

    P300V8 Formula 3

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,645
    London U.K.
    #368 P300V8, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    The airboxes are empty. Direct airflow is not so easy with downdraft carburettors although this idea was tried - and rejected!
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  19. P300V8

    P300V8 Formula 3

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,645
    London U.K.
    #369 P300V8, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I can't keep up with you!
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  20. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    While interviewing Paolo Stanzani, I had him to look at several prototypes & developpment Urraco pictures, this model was among the others.

    He told me it was not rejected due to lack of efficiency but to the bad design & shape, but also to the hidden rear view from the inside rear mirror...

    Technically, a direct air intake is more efficient, some years ago leading my racing team PSI Motorsport, we built that for our GT2-FIA from the lateral rear window.
     
  21. P300V8

    P300V8 Formula 3

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,645
    London U.K.
    I do not doubt it - but this car was built after his departure from Lamborghini.
     
  22. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    they were fitted on Silhouette too...
     
  23. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    #373 Olivier NAMECHE, Jan 7, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    This pic is a development model for the Silhouette supervised by Dallara.

    Factory announced in a press release that Paolo left on 2nd January 1975.

    But Paolo had that engine cover already designed by one of his engineers, Parenti, that's what he said when I show him thie below pic...

    Bob Wallace imagined it at first with a hand drawing while thinking to improve Urraco Rally.

    But it was considered by the R&D dpt as an alternative to the Urraco special "French" flat engine bonnet & a potential improvement for the P300.

    Again, rear visibility was reduced reason why they didn't keep it for production.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  24. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

    Aug 18, 2007
    5,094
    CANADA
    Full Name:
    Olivier
    Thanks to Kevin, my ex Jalpa VIN is identified : ZA9J00000DLA12048
     
  25. raymondQV

    raymondQV F1 Rookie

    Aug 22, 2007
    4,059
    Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Raymond S.

Share This Page