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Just Received Topspeed Headers, WTF?

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  1. BlacktopRacing

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    I was excited to get these at such a good price because everyone says they're the same as Fabspeed and Agency Power, but after careful inspection of photos available online, I don't see this poorly-constructed bend in the other brands. These bends actually form a point. I don't see any reason why this Bend couldn't be one piece DOM. Anybody else notice this with ANY of the three brands? Just wondering if I got a poorly-built set.

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  2. 02360spider

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    Left one looks really bad

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  3. Dave rocks

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    The path the pipe follows is too tight for a bend. I'm not suggesting the path is proper or not.
     
  4. Virulosity

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    There was an episode of engine masters on the motor trend youtube channel where these hot rod guys bashed a huge dent in some headers to see if it made any difference on the dyno. It didn't. I am sure that shape may not be "optimal" but I would think it's insignificant to the overall performance of your car. If it's going to bother you because it doesn't look pretty put a blanket over it and call it a day :)
     
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  5. mello

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    Wrap it with heat tape. Out of sight, out of mind.
     
  6. hessank

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    Great idea but he can't unsee it.
     
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  7. BlacktopRacing

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    But if these are supposed to be the same as fabspeed and AP headers, then why don't fabspeed or AP headers have these pointy bends in them? I'm not concerned about how it might affect power or torque, but I am concern it will ultimately be a failure point (get it?).
     
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  9. timwu12

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    when comparing the previous poster's AP headers to the Top Speed ones, you can clearly see the tube that was welded to a point on the Top Speed headers is not routed to the same port on the merge collector between the 2 different header companies....probably proof enough that they're not made by 1 chinese company
     
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  10. Nine9Three

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    Headers are meant to be equal length for optimum performance. OP's are definately not.
     
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  11. freshmeat

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    Those look like sh!tspeed...ticking time bomb, don't install those.
     
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  12. Mikael-F360

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    This is an excellent point! Equal length of each pipe is important. There is a reason why those headers you bought are cheap! The Chinese really messed up the design.
     
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  13. fatbillybob

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    Poor welds too.
     
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  14. Carper

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    No way they are equal length judging by picture.

    For the OP from the Internet of things:-

    "The idea behind an exhaust header is to eliminate the manifold's back pressure. Instead of a common manifold that all of the cylinders share, each cylinder gets its own exhaust pipe. These pipes come together in a larger pipe called the collector. The individual pipes are cut and bent so that each one is the same length as the others. By making them the same length, it guarantees that each cylinder's exhaust gases arrive in the collector spaced out equally so there is no back pressure generated by the cylinders sharing the collector"
     
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  15. mike32

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    The plumbing under my sink looks better
     
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  16. rizzo308

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    That looks puppi caca to me. No way I would use them.
     
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  18. mwstewart

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    There's one thing for sure: they are far less restrictive than the terrible stock manifolds! I had a set on my last car (F430 manual) and the power difference was marked - it would sometimes spin up the wheels going into 4th. I love the power delivery of the 4-1 manifolds; they suit the car so much better!

    I paid $998 USD for mine. Superb VFM.

    I have Capristo on my current and other than the larger diameter primaries and better bends, there's not really an improvement in fabrication. The Capristo has more 'meat' in the midrange but less 'fizz' at the top, which I miss.
     
  19. Jgivoo

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    I would contact them as soon as possible and explain your dissatisfaction. the first thing I noticed are the welds. In the website pic they are much smoother and polished.
    The tube in question also appears to have been bent without the "apex".
    The ones you received really look different from they are showing on their website.
     
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  20. shifter

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    Same sentiment from me, may not see a difference on a dyno but I don’t like that sharp point at all due to concerns over long term reliability with thermal cycling. I’d send them back or sell them and start over with a higher quality set.


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  21. BlacktopRacing

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    It's hard to see since you're comparing my pics to your because in mine, they're upside down, so you don't see the bend in question. I think it's the same port for the same reason too.
     
  22. BlacktopRacing

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  23. BlacktopRacing

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    So who ever said Topspeed are the same as Fabspeed and AP are clearly wrong and since I trusted them, cost me some headache because I am not keeping these I'm sending them back because they are clearly poorly designed and their pictures are angled to hide these flaws.
     
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  24. BlacktopRacing

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    For what it's worth, the welds look fine... It's the unequal length tubes and the two bends that form points that are reason for me to return these.
     
  25. Vegas CS

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    Someone more knowledgeable than I can correct me if I’m wrong but, wouldn’t that sharp “bend” cause the exhaust gases to hit that bend and get caught up causing a hot spot at the outside point of the bend? It’s where it’s welded there and if the quality of the piece is subpar to begin with, I wouldn’t trust the weld job.
     

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