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Latest Cirrus Crash

Discussion in 'Aviation Chat' started by Bob Parks, Jun 9, 2016.

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  1. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Sounds like all issue candidates at this stage point to pilot error. Shame. If this proves to be the case, then it will be another lesson to us all to make sure we remain current and fly within our capabilities at all times. What a sad story. :(
     
  2. rob lay

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    I don't know if Cirrus in the same "boat", but the Columbia is a 4 adults full fuel plane. i don't expect the average pilot or person to get it, not that it takes more skill, but you need the technical expertise and inside knowledge to know why the gross is where it is. On the Columbia it is the brakes. One company was even close to a STC that would have added 200 gross (working with FAA and small fleet not practical). Don't ride the brakes and respect wet and shorter runways.

    FYI, I personally never land with less than 20 gallons, I know most pilots push it to 10 gallons.
     
  3. gday

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    #78 gday, Jul 2, 2016
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    You have to offset this "source" with a few things - the main one being that the NTSB prelim has no mention of a fuel problem combined with the fact that the tanks were "fully disrupted" as per:

    "National Transportation Safety Board investigator Tom Latson said ....

    “I have confirmed with the fixed-base operator at the Norman (Oklahoma) airport that the plane was topped, it should give five hours of flight time,” Latson said when asked if the plane crashed due to lack of fuel. The airplane departed from the airport in Norman at about 10:15 a.m. Thursday for the flight to Houston, and crashed approximately 3 hours later.

    Latson noted fuel tanks on the plane were completely disrupted, so officials will have to investigate the fuel lines to see if an empty tank was a factor in the crash."

    -mick
     
  4. arizonaitalian

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    #79 arizonaitalian, Jul 2, 2016
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    Reading the account of this tragedy the first thought that went through my head was to recall the 1 time when I was working towards my license that I landed at a commercial airport (OAK) vs. the typical small private airports I practiced at. I was super stressed by the ATC telling me that I had to hurry (using different words) because I had a jet behind me at XXX knots. Totally filled my mind with stuff unrelated to maintaining my alignment and slope. The instructor had to take over and get us in quick. I told him "no more trips to OAK" until I was much farther along. I can relate to her getting in over her head. There must be a dozen small airports within 20 miles of there...too bad she didn't bail and head for one.

    If true, then its a whole 'nuther degree of stupid. (although it would explain her reluctance to find a different airport)

    Brutal to listen to this. That was a ton of instruction from ATC and a bunch of bad flying (too high, etc). And then to run out of fuel. What a mess. RIP
     
  5. rob lay

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    I'm always told to slow down for traffic ahead. :) I'll shoot her down 200 kts straight in final and only 2-3 miles out put on the brakes.
     
  6. joker57676

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    #81 joker57676, Jul 2, 2016
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    I'd bet money that her tanks were not dry and she simply stalled and spun it. New(ish) pilot, unfamiliar airport, high stress, confusion, several failed approaches....she was overwhelmed and stopped watching the airspeed.



    Mark
     
  7. toggie

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    #82 toggie, Jul 2, 2016
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    Sad situation. Even an overwhelmed pilot can land safely if they ask the tower for assistance.
    I would have confessed to ATC that I'm having trouble and I would have requested a runway that minimized the xwind.

    Then, I'd ask for vectors to position me 3 miles out on final for that runway.
    I can do a my "normal pattern approach" on a straight in once I get to that 3 mile out position (assuming I'm about 1000 feet AGL)

    It appears, in the accident scenario, the lady pilot didn't ask the tower for what she needed to make it a routine landing for her.
    I know that "hindsight is 20/20", but I wish the pilot had thought of better options.
     
  8. joker57676

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    That's exactly what my instructor taught me. If it's excessively busy, or you feel overwhelmed, just ask the tower for vectors for a straight in approach.




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