Let´s talk about Boxing

That's a tricky proposition though because they are very dissimilar. An average boxer could destroy the best MMA fighter, but once the MMA fighter lays hands on the boxer it's over. I guess the goal would be to create the ultimate hybrid fighter.

I'm no fan of MMA though. Watching two guys roll around the floor with their crotches in each others face is boring.

 

LOL - I'm certain a member of my fiancée's extended family would disagree.

Back on topic though... I've never watched mixed martial arts, but I gather that it would be a tremendous disadvantage for the boxer if he were to have his legs swept out from under him by a martial arts fighter. However, if you limit shots to above the waist, I reckon the boxer would stand a pretty good chance.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I believe that Nathaniel S. Fleischer, owner and publisher of The Ring (although it may have been his son-in-law, Nat Loubet), many decades ago answered an inquiry as to how a boxer would fair in a street fight. I can't quote Fleischer, but I'll paraphrase his reply. Average boxers would have a rough time in a street fight with a top brawler, but an elite boxer would do very well (he didn't say, "would win". Now I realize that MMA has rules that don't come into play in a street fight (and that an experienced MMA fighter would benefit because of his familiarity with these rules), but I also believe that an elite boxer (who also happens to be an elite athlete) would do quite well against an elite MMA fighter - even under MMA rules - which naturally remove the danger of strikes to the back of the head under any circumstances - let alone the most obvious/dangerous time for such strikes as when the MMA fighter shoots in for a takedown. Naturally, until the purse offered for the boxer/MMA fighter bout would at least approach the boxers typical payday, no contracted boxer could take such a fight. Finally, styles make fights. And so it would also come into play with the boxer/MMA fighter bout; however, despite knowing this, I'll say here and now that if either Klitschko brother would choose to fight under MMA rules, that they would have an excellent chance of defeating any current MMA heavyweight champion or highly ranked MMA fighter. One final thought: the boxer ought to take control of the fight the moment it begins: immediately close the gap, strike, and finish the fight.

 

For those interested (probably not many) Danny Green KO'd Manny Siaca in the 3rd round tonite in Perth, Western Australia.

For those who dont know who Green is, he KO'd Jones Jr in December last year in Australia.

Manny Siaca KO'd Anthony Mundine a few years ago. Mundine is probably the best fighter in Australia.

Mudine beat Green in 2006 by UD.

After Green beat RJJ, he talked up a big fight with Hopkins, but it hasnt happened and it may not happen. But I reckon it will be cool to watch.

 

Forget about that if you want to see a real fight Pavlik VS. Martinez promises to be a real war!

 

it has been too long since the ghost fought. i look forward to seeing him in the ring.

 

Lol!! What???? Its the best Australia has to offer!

Was a mid week Fight, that how we do it here.

Looking forward to Pavlik V Martinez this weekend. Trouble is, I dont think I have seen the posters up anywhere here so I dont think anyone is getting on PPV.

 

Oh, were you commenting on my Green V Hopkins comment?

 

It's not a PPV fight, at least not in the states.

 

A dangerous fight for Pavlik!!!!!!

 

boxing is a waltz, mma is breakdancing

well, that is pu55y rules fighting. like saying if you limit a ferrari to 4 cylinders out of 12, a honda has a pretty good chance too.

imagine fighting with one arm behind your back, well in boxing it is fighting with both your legs, your head, knees and elbows tied behind your back and you have to face each other head on. less than 25% of your body is fairgame. i guess with only two fists it does become a sweet science but also illustrates how boring it has become.

in mma, you know you are going to get hit, so you bum-rush the guy and get it to the mat. i think even iron mike would have been torn apart by brock lesnar if mike would not land that one perfect chin shot. pit boxers vs mma, if the boxer does not score a fast knockout he is screwed.

there is no honor, or hell, even sport in boxing anymore. the whole thing with convoluted belts, and all the stuff bull run posted up earlier, how can you respect the sport. i still have a few fighters i love to watch, pavlik, maglinaggi, jones jr to name a few and i'd choose to watch those fights over watching an mma championship but the sport is not what it was 20 years ago.

 

Ah, it is here.

They were advertising it ALL throughout the Green V Siaca fight as a PPV event here in Aus.

But I havent seen any posters of it around town over the last few weeks so I am assuming we are not getting it here.

 

Danny Green wants to fight Tarver for "free".

Or perhaps step into the ring with Holyfield.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1236277/latest-from-wire/

 

Pavlik was really bad lastnight not putting pressure on Martinez. Martinez had good timing, but overall it was a bad fight. Lucian Bute had a fast knockout of Edison Miranda. Face-down on the canvas.

 

Well another big name gone from the championship picture (Pavlik). Boxing took another step back last night. Try to market S. Martinez!

 

I saw the highlights and read the news. We didnt get the fight here.

 

I went to it, and yep he got carved up pretty good. Real disappointing that he was so exciting only a few years ago and now appears to be shot. First thing is to change trainers, Jack Lowe can't teach him anything new and he needs to learn how to handle movers better.

 

I agree on the trainers. It is as if they never heard of Sergio before lastnight. Sergio had a few Maglinaggi moments, clowning around last night.

 

Edwin Valero. SO SAD!!!!! What a wasted talent. This guy was GOOD!!!!!!! 27-0 27 KO's. He started his career 18-0 with 18 1st. round KO's

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ap-valero-slaying

 

According to Time Magazine

1. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier III, Oct. 1, 1975
2. Jack Dempsey vs. Luis Angel Firpo, Sept. 14, 1923
3. Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Thomas Hearns, Sept. 16, 1981
4. Micky Ward vs Arturo Gatti I, May 18, 2002
5. Joe Louis vs. Billy Conn, June 18, 1941
6. Diego Corrales vs. Jose Luis Castillo, May 7, 2005
7. Marvin Hagler vs. Thomas Hearns, April 15, 1985
8. Erik Morales vs Marco Antonio Barrera I, February 19, 2000
9. Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Meldrick Taylor, March 17, 1990
10. Chris Eubank v Nigel Benn I, November 18, 1990

 

To make matters worse, WOW!!!!!!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ap-valero-slaying

 

I'm surprised there weren't more fights from the past. BUT, I think this is a very fair top ten. I can relate to all but 2 of them.

 

Holy cow that's terrible and just after coming off that sensational win of Antonio DeMarco. Which was the first time he was really seen in the US.

He did look like a demon in the ring, I guess he really was.

That makes four boxers who met a violent death in the past year including Arguello, Vernon Forest, and Arturo Gatti. And those are just the ones you heard about. Proof again that blows to the head are not good for you. Not a coincidence.

 

That's a fair list but I guarantee there are two or three times that many great fights between guys average fans never heard of. A top ten is not enough to do justice to all of them. They should have put in Israel Vasquez vs. Rafael Marquez in there. Any of the three fights could have made the list easily. Small guys never get enough credit.

 

I wonder in making the lists what constitutes an epic battle. Some of that list are big names, yes, but there have, like you noted, some great fights outside the heavyweights. I have seen Darchinyan, Cintron, Vasquez and some other fights that maybe did not get the credit. I mean, Tyson in his prime, were those good or bad fights, those epic 1st round knockouts. Pacman vs Hatton. Just a beautiful dis-assembly of a feared fighter. Some top 10 items there that I'd love to watch over.

I think that time makes some of those 'classics' a little over romanticized. Can I admit I liked the reality show "The Contender"