Let´s talk about Boxing

FM is without a doubt not even really a rated boxer any more as he's so shady and questionable with his actions. That said, he is certainly getting exactly what he deserves which is a huge asterisk to his entire career by boxing fans who know anything or not. I can't think of such a controversial boxer. He has *hardly* handily and properly beat anyone other than dance around the ring for 10+ years. Did he KO very young Canelo? Or any professional boxer lately for that matter? Look at his KO %, FM hasn't really KO'd much of anyone, nor delivered a KO capable punch for years, just the occasional well-placed counter punch but with no grunt on the thing, and of course coupled with the regular shoulder rolls. He hasn't stunned a soul for a decade and is not an aggressor, which is the primary reason he has a big asterisk next to his career. He is just not a puncher and carefully picks who and when he fights. He danced and tapped a very young and green Canelo, while GGG beat a far superior Canelo in his prime. Look at the Canelo FM fought vs GGG, they are totally different level fighters. FM even at his best has zero chance against a Canelo in his prime, which further elevates GGG. Apologies if I'm offending anyone, but anyone who doesn't see Canelo is vastly superior then he was 5 years ago is simply a moron. Plain and simple. Lastly, FM 'beat' (if one can call anything he's done lately, beating) an injured MP and danced around the ring and angered every soul on earth who paid or didn't pay to watch that fight, which is what he's done for 10+ years now.

Angering the people for dud fights isn't the sign of a great boxer. Do you know how many lawsuits were brought about simply by angry fans post the MP fight? It was something like 9-10 states that had class-action suits due to what a dud the fight was. A great fighter delivers great fights, and the people have spoken that he doesn't deliver great fights. A great fighter is also known for being an aggressor, having KO power, and wanting to use it. FM hasn't been that even in his prime. FM 100% gamed the system to prop himself up and produce a record, which I guess is commendable.

It is a fact that in 2016 FM told Canelo to NOT fight GGG, I'm sure for fear of FM further laying waste to his pointless career, and I guarantee you he made the deal with McGregor when he learned the date of GGG v Canelo and set the fight, 100% on purpose, before their fight with intention to draw people's attention away from the GGG fight. History articulates PPV fights do not conflict with one another in such close-proximity ever, unless of course it is FM and he wants to draw attention away from something that clearly cals him out for the fraud he is. FM laid waste to hardcore boxing with his nonsense. The blinders are properly installed on an individual if anyone believes FM's intentions for any fight, especially his recent one, are pure as the wind-driven snow. FM is a money-grabber, plain and simple, and anyone who believes FM would give you the time of day to talk about his questionable fighting prowess is kidding themselves, but prepare to be met with contempt for even making eye-contact, we're talking Diana Ross level diva madness.

 

GGG is the real deal imo, not being able to knockout Canelo was more of a testimony to Canelos chin than anything
I had Golovkin up by 4 rounds and felt he was robbed.
had no money on the fight and more of a Canelo fan than GGG.

 

I was bored, so i'm back. You said it best. You often referred FM to Boxing and GGG to fighting. The sport is boxing, isn't it?

 

Ok, So, What about this Wilder vs Ortiz Match up.
Talking about Over hyped, Over rated & Under Skilled These are a few adjectives I use to define Deontay Wilder. Anyone Disagree on this opinion?
Ortiz has the Talent and skills to beat Wilder. Should be an exciting fight.

 

Back to our regular programming.......

To be honest Armen, I think Wilder AND Ortiz are over rated lol.

Wilder, well we know all about him and his crazy, powerful, but poorly thrown windmill punches.

Have you seen Ortiz's last few fights? I reckon I could have beat him in his last few fights lol.

He will definitely be Wilder's toughest fight to date, but I am not sure if the old man has what it takes to beat Wilder.

Wilder has a lot more fitness than Ortiz, maybe even more power than him too, but he has less skills than Ortiz and I think Wilder's fitness is what will get Wilder the win on points in that fight because I think Ortiz will gas out like he has the last few fights I have seen him win.

 

And while we are back on the HW division, I am sure you all saw somewhere in the news Parker beat Fury on points over in the UK.

I must admit, it was the 2nd worst HW title fight I have ever witnessed in my life..................right behind Klitschko VS Fury back in 2015. lol

Cousin Hughie tried to follow in Tyson's footsteps in the fight against Parker. He danced and walked around the ring the entire fight, throwing useless jabs and punches, not allowing Parker to hit him while he was on the move.

Once Fury was backed up onto the ropes, Parker would lay a few on him. It was a very average fight and they are both B Grade fighters. They are not on the same level as AJ, *I don't think any other HW is at the point in time** and it will be good to see AJ take that WBO Heavyweight title from Parker next year before setting up a unification fight with Wilder late next year.

Here are the highlights from the fight. (If that's what you would call them. )

 

AJ VS Pulev coming right up on the 28th of October for all the belts.

80,000 seat stadium nearly sold out for this fight.

 

The plot thickens.......

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2017/09/29/news/shocker-luis-ortiz-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-again-wbc-president-confirms

 

I'm there with you. I will be on for this one. Wilder just needs to connect is how I see this though.

 

100% agree.


Opps, So much for that fight.

 

Pap, Your like an Ambassador to this thread. Thank you for stepping in.

 

No worries Armen, I just saw an opportunity to jump in when you made mention of the Wilder VS Ortiz fight.

Speaking of which, I just read a news article now where Wilder went on a expletive ridden rant about Ortiz and threatened walk away from the sport of boxing because he is sick of all the drug cheats.

I think 3 out of the last 4 fights planned for Wilder were cancelled because of the other fighters failing their drug tests since he became the WBC champ. I think Ortiz might be the 4th out of 5 fights now if I understand correctly.

We will see what happens, they may have another opponent step in if Wilder doesn't walk away from boxing.......

 

Is there a way to link those hit songs to play automatically in rotation when you click on this thread?

Now we're talking.

I quickly saw the words " saw an opportunity" and "Ortiz" and thought you were talking about something else never mind, carry on.

 

Lol, cheers mate.

 

BTW I appreciate all the boxing enthusiasts here in our spirited debates, Ferraripilot & nsxrebel included

Meanwhile, that 20-year-old UK Heavyweight Daniel Dubois scares me...

 

Daniel Dubois, yes indeed!

I watched this fight live on the Billy Joe Saunders undercard two weeks ago.

Let me tell you guys, ol DB can punch and punch HARD man! Lol

5 fights, 5 wins, 5 KO's.

I see him following in the same footsteps as Anthony Joshua and I forget who, (may have been his promoter) someone is trying to have the rules changed so Dubois can fight for the British Heavyweight title at 20 years old. He just turned 20.

You have to be 21 years old to fight for that title and it may have been his promoter that is trying to have the rules changed so he can fight for that belt soon, instead of having to wait another 12 months and go through the motions of fighting opponent after opponent till they fight for that title. They need some bigger challengers for Dubois they reckon.

It sounds like there are a lot of people behind this kid with big things expected from him and I expect to see a showdown between him DB and AJ within the next 5 years or less.

**And that might be the passing of the torch from a 33 year old Joshua onto a 25 year old Dubois**

 

Frank Warren is his promoter, he's been round for many years.

I think AJ may have to avoid fighting DB for as long as he can.

 

Cheers Joe, I heard of Frank Warren many times in the past. I should have paid more attention in regards to who was DB's promoter.

I think it's only a matter of time before they clash and if Dubois keeps on wrecking everyone placed in front of him, I am sure it will make for a great fight.

 

AJ having a little chat about the Heavyweight division.

I have never heard of Joe Joyce, but I am going to take a look at him.

Still sounds like AJ has good people around him and he still has his head on his shoulders after beating the mighty Klitschko back in April.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anthony-joshua-warns-former-sparring-partner-daniel-dubois/

 

Joe Joyce, 32 years old..................just turned pro in July 2017.

I think the lad left his run a little too late. By the time he is any good his career will be over. lol

He is a BIG lad and is making his pro debut against a guy who has a 12-3 record with 8 KO's.

He recently signed with David Haye's promotions by the looks of it and it's good to see they are not giving him an easy fight with a guy that has 12 pro wins and only 3 losses with 8 KO's.

Coming up in October, we will soon see what this guy is all about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Joyce_(boxer)

 

Oh Sh**, I read that as 52 years old (my eyes are truly going bad).
I was thinking Pap, what are you thinking!

 

Nice Heavyweight, his best years are probably behind him, and I note that he gets hit a fair amount, which is something you want to avoid if you're planning on being a Champion in boxing, especially in the Heavyweight division.

 

Sad, I just watched 30 for 30 on Tommy Morrison.
Watch it if you haven't.

 

Cheers Armen, will try and watch it when I can.

 

Definitely Joe, there are some BIG hitting guys in that division at the moment so it wouldn't take much to go nite nite.