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Another win for FM. A match against Pacquaio seems inevitable at this point. I want to see the heavyweights. Just more appealing. As great fighters as they are in the lighter divisions, I prefer to watch the big guys duke it out. I miss the old days of Iron Mike. Lewis was a very fundamental fighter as are the KO brothers, but nothing like the good ole 1 minute beatdowns Tyson used to inflict. They dont make em like that anymore!
Doubtful, the payday is not getting any bigger for either of them. I personally don't care anymore. I am headed over to watch the 5 or so MMA series.
hell will freeze over before you get me to give $1 more to that jackazz!!! mma is putting boxing 6 feet under..
+1!!! Total ****** man!!!!! I didn't watch the fight, but have watched the cheap shots many times over now. I saw the first one and thought yeah........a bit cheeky, but he deserved it for trying to head-butt Mayweather. But the KO punch was uncalled for IMO. Floyd is a bad man with a bad attitude.
Floyd did exactly what he should have done. BRILLIANT. Two hugs and a kiss? What the hell, this is a fight not a love in. Ortiz didn't have that look in his eye this time, and was beaten before he entered the ring. He was way in over his head. I was surprised to see him moving away so much he had no chance of winning like that. Floyd is practically impossible to hit. I have to pick him over Pacquiao with not much problem.
Brilliant????? So you consider that fight Worth your pay???? Those last 2 fights made me realize EVEN MORE that MMA is the only way to go! Did you also agree with the early stoppage of the Alverez/Gomez fight???? Do you feel you got your moneys worth? I feel I got robbed like usual paying for a boxing match. I'm just pissed off cause I LOVE the sport (and train currently myself) But fighters and incorrect decision and all the B.S. that is going along with this sport, it's kinda hard to keep defending it. FM is a piece of SH**, no matter how great he is. He's a bad representitive of the sport! What he did with Larry was SO WRONG!!!!! But then again he does it to his own father, SO...
If I remember the scorecard was 2-1 Floyd going into the 4th..without the point deduction ortiz won the 4 th so that would of made the fight 2-2...
No, I don't feel like I got my money's worth, and am mad like allot of others. Or should I say I feel suckered by the hype surrounding Ortiz, but that doesn't take away from Floyd's performance. Sure, I can't stand the guy, but I also realize he's one of the best ring technicians in the history of boxing. That fact shouldn't be lost. The under card fights were pretty good, but not worth the $60.00.The Alverez/Gomez premature stoppage ticked me off. I still can't behind MMA two guys wrestling on the floor, is boring as hell. Just brute force power with no science behind it is what it looks like to me. I had the fight a shut out in favor of Floyd.
I like the brutal aspect of MMA, if I wanted rules, ballet, non-events and crybabies, I'd stick with boxing.
I'll agree that boxing has become too civilized. That, and the organizational structure made it an easy target for MMA, but as far as a relative skill level? A tough guy could fight MMA tomorrow. A boxer has to start when he's a child. It takes years to develop those skills and become great. That's what I appreciate about it. And just to reiterate, Floyd came to fight, you can't be mad at him. Ortiz is the one that made a fool out of the PPV audience, and that we fell for the hype is our fault. Kissing a guy in the heat of battle ranks right up there in the unexpected oddities category with biting a guys ear off, although that doesn't seem so bizarre now. BTW, I appreciate the civility on this board as compared to the boxing forums. Now that's painful.
I agree there is a level of technical skill in boxing, and that is part of the rules of the game, which FM followed to the letter. As cheap as we see it, it was a legal blow. Those rules are also part of what chokes it to death. Think about Don King, who got away with shooting a man in the back and stomping another to death, often facing fraud charges, and linked to Gotti. There is your leader. When it comes to MMA, people don't duck each other, boxing is notorious for people ducking fights, and when it goes from milking the audience to outright cowardice, why care anymore? We don't have a charismatic champ anymore, we just have primadonnas. I would watch Pac v Mayday, but if that happens, what is left? It is the only fight worth seeing anymore and one or the other is being a whiny little *****. Mayday had no incentive for this fight. He can retire right now on top.
Odd as it is, when Don King was a major power in boxing, the sport was in much better shape than it is today. Now it's Bob Arum, and Golden Boy, both corrupt in their own right. Boxing has been rooted in corruption since it's inception. The biggest change to me is just that fighters don't have the heart anymore, and when they do show real guts and heart, we are often robbed by over protective refereeing, or doctors. Oh, side note. I was shocked that Ortiz put on 17 lbs over night. I really thought that was going to make a difference in his favor. Whatever, he is easily forgotten as someone with a fragile Psyche now. I don't see Mayweather retiring, the guy throws away too much money. You don't consider Paquiao charismatic? He's everything Mayweather isn't. That's a 100 million fight, and I believe it will happen next year. Why is it that MMA can't come close to generating that kind of dough?
Pac seems to be having ego issues, along with the whole aversion to the blood tests etc. As for MMA paydays, these guys prefer to be the biggest badass out there, not the richest, that indicates they are more interested in the sport. The champs change often enough and the fights are frequent, boxing spends too much time building steam and protecting fighters. What I don't understand is why boxing does not force this fight. "**** or get off the pot" If this happens, we need to find a spot to watch it. I just picked up a pair of 70" beasts.
I can understand the drug testing hang up. Floyd wants to call the shots, and Pac won't allow him to dictate. Once you agree with that he'll continue to manipulate all the prefight decisions. BTW, why did Oritz enter the ring first when he was the champion??
Please don't knock MMA's skill levels. That's not right. There skill levels are equal if not higher than Boxing. It's been proven before. and I've trained MMA since 1997 & boxing now for a few year consistently. I know at ANY given time when i'm sparring (boxing) with guys , I can take them down and tap them within a minute. So "tough guys" can't really "fight" MMA tomorrow. TOTAL biased opinion. "Tough guys" come in the MMA gym ALL THE TIME and leave with there tail between there legs EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!!! In my 14 years, I NEVER have seen a "tough guy" get the upper hand on an experienced MMA fighter. I'm really not trying to convince you that MMA is better than boxing, or vice versa. I'm just letting you know that your statement and view of MMA is wrong. There are A LOT of rules also. If that's your opinion thats great, but it's false... Also, I hope that i dont sound like im trying to be a pro or something. I'm as amateur as it gets!
Point taken, maybe I over exaggerated. I've never thrown a punch or wrestled, so I can't speak with authority. Lets just say boxing is a far harder sport to master at the elite level. In other words, if you START boxing at say 20 years old, you have virtually no chance of being even a very good boxer, let alone great.
Please don't knock MMA's skill levels. That's not right. There skill levels are equal if not higher than Boxing. It's been proven before. and I've trained MMA since 1997 & boxing now for a few year consistently. I know at ANY given time when i'm sparring (boxing) with guys , I can take them down and tap them within a minute. So "tough guys" can't really "fight" MMA tomorrow. TOTAL biased opinion. "Tough guys" come in the MMA gym ALL THE TIME and leave with there tail between there legs EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!!! In my 14 years, I NEVER have seen a "tough guy" get the upper hand on an experienced MMA fighter. I'm really not trying to convince you that MMA is better than boxing, or vice versa. I'm just letting you know that your statement and view of MMA is wrong. There are A LOT of rules also. If that's your opinion thats great, but it's false... Also, I hope that i dont sound like im trying to be a pro or something. I'm as amateur as it gets!
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I knew the Mayweather-Ortiz fight was going to be controversial no matter what, but now that we have all had time to digest the outcome, there is only one thing that needs to be said, and that is the Golden Rule of Boxing: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES. In fact, if you watch the fight closely, Mayweather gave Ortiz a free pass when he embarked on his first kissing session, after which the referee disciplined Ortiz, and then said: "BOX". Ortiz then decided to embark upon kissing session number 2, and understandably by this time Floyd being the professional prizefighter that he is, had seen enough of all the kiss-and-make-up, and decided to go ahead and put Ortiz out of his own misery by knocking him out on the spot. I'm not sure what part of "protect yourself at all times" that fans don't understand? I'm also not sure what part of "box" fans don't understand? The thing to remember is that the rules of boxing must be followed, but the sport is not a popularity contest of gentlemanly goodwill! This is the hurt business, and any true professional follows them to a tee. Referee Joe Cortez, an experienced referee, had his mouth open aghast simply because he could not believe that after he said "box", Ortiz was standing there without protecting himself. Its as if he was saying: "go ahead & knock me out, I deserve it". The other issue that Id like to point is that its clear to me that Floyd is taking a page out of the book of The Greatest in his early days. In the 60s Clay succeeded in getting almost everyone to hate his guts with his brash loudmouth behavior. He realized that this sold more tickets as more people wanted to see him get his butt whipped. Personally, I think Floyd has carefully crafted the growing dislike that many fans have, and he benefits from this.
The more I watch the fight, the more I think it was TOTALLY fair on FM's behalf. Actually I think more I watch the fight what a jacka** Ortiz is! He looks like a fool with his smile in the post fight interviews. Come to think of it, I think he was just happy to be there. The 2 things I do disagree with is: FM unsportsmanship. and How he talked to Larry Merchant. That's it.
That's the way I see it too. From now own, when a fight is announced, make your decision and don't be fooled by the hype. You said Ortiz was perfect for Mayweather in the beginning and you were right. I was just wondering if Floyd had lost a step but on the contrary, the long layoffs do him a favor, he doesn't rust and is a fresh 34.
