To me there should be some sort of statute of limitations in place. I don't think it's right to penalize a driver or team for things they did in the past. Like Mohammed said, there was opportunity for someone to raise a stink, and apparently nobody did. So in my eyes, what's done is done.
Yup, I don't see what can be done. Nullify the results (won't be very popular quite quickly this). On the flip side, if they do nullify the result of a race where cheating played it's part, I bet Massa can't wait to be told he's WDC, albeit it 14 years later. (**** me, 14 years?! Feels like last week I watched that race...)
Perhaps if RB used their reserve driver for this weeks race, Max might learn a thing or two about team orders.
And max basically won 15 on merits. Contrary to the MB dominated period where in many occasions the nr 2 mb driver was specifically asked to let the prima Donna pass. I think there is truly a big difference in the way max made his wins, compare to quite a few of the lulu victories
Highest paid F1 drivers for 2022 (Forbes) 1) Max with $60 million 2) Lewis with $55 million 3) Alonso with $30 million 4) Perez with $26 million 5) Leclerc with $23 million
Perez $26m?? Are these figures including their sponsorship deals and such, or is it only their salary from the team?
Just salary from the team, not personal endorsements. I do find them odd at times as the same publications often produce a ''net worth'' estimate about said drivers, but it's always off by huge amounts even from their own given figures over the past few years. Do they apply the taxes to it (that no F1 driver pays since the majority live in either Monaco or Switzerland with local tax deal)? Max's base alone is €45m and Red Bull pays very high bonus as well, 50k per point and another million per win on top of that.
I didn't know that about the bonuses. Perez earning $26m might now make Ricciardo a better value. No way he is keeping his McLaren salary.
26-30 or so with win bonuses for Perez makes sense, with 305 points scored and 2 wins. In bonus' alone he'd have made around 17 million.
Something don't add up, according to post #3061 that says each point is worth 50K (€ or $ ?) 1) If Max basic "wage" is $45M, and he receives $1M per win, that makes $60M as quoted. But where is his points bonus gone? 454 points at 50K each is $22.7 same for Checo. 2) $26M with 2 wins makes sense: $24 basic +$2M But Checo also got 305 points at 50K each; that is $17.25M. Where are they in these figures?
Max is correct! - https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/97005/max-verstappen-red-bull-street-circuit-verdict/ Verstappen delivers damning street track verdict Sam Hall Monday 28 November 2022 10:42 Max Verstappen has delivered a damning verdict on F1's street tracks as the number continues to grow on the sport's calendar. Street circuits have always been a novelty on the F1 schedule, with the close barriers providing a greater challenge to drivers than other venues that feature swathes of asphalt run-off. But while Monaco was alone as a pure street course for a period, the 2023 calendar also features road layouts in Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Singapore and Las Vegas. In addition, there is Miami, where the track is designed to have a street-course feel, and Australia and Canada, with Albert Park and the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve venues also in this category. But Verstappen would rather F1 pursue purpose-built facilities rather than venture into a city. Asked for his opinion on street tracks, the two-time champion told Formule1.nl, “Formula 1 cars are really not made for that. "I don't like street circuits at all anymore. Certainly not with the even bigger and heavier new generation of cars. “It was still manageable with the old cars, but now… “In Monaco and Singapore, I was very disappointed with how the new cars took to the streets. [They were] too heavy, too stiff, you can't take kerbs with it anymore. "The cars just aren't built for [this]. Street circuits are fun for pictures, but not for racing.”
I support that fully, though for the drivers I think the cars being so stiff really make for a crappy experience on the unavoidably bumpy surfaces. But Max is right, street circuits suck. Quite frankly, Monaco is one of the worst. There are so many good tracks in the world but they because they won't pony up $40-50m a year, F1 won't even consider them.
For the most part so do I. It's a set up challenge between the 90 degree corners that want max downforce, vs the extremely long "straight" that would want Monza levels of downforce. Plus there is elevation change which is nice. Like you said, entertaining races.
I really love Monaco, but in these cars it's ****...but I'm against dropping it because I can't see it ever return if they return to smaller cars.
The only benefit I see in street circuits in that they instantly penalise those who go off track limits. Sloppy driving is rewarded by instant karma !! Crash, bang, wallop !!! Monaco is too narrow, IMO. You are right about the good tracks though.
For a long time I thought I liked Monaco. It's certainly great to watch a quali lap from the onboard. But as for the races. Yuck. It takes some extraordinary circumstances, like a stuck wheel nut (bottas) to create excitement. There is almost no passing, there never really has been, and as you say the current cars are just wayyyy too big. For me, the best race was 2006 when Schumacher went from last place to 5th. Talk about an all time great Monaco drive that never gets mentioned.
Baku is pretty much the only street circuit that produces good racing in modern F1. All the best, Andrew.
I don't completely disagree...for me quali is the coolest part of course, the cars there just look absolutely magic. There is also no place to get closer to the cars than Monaco...
