Max Verstappen

Need unlimited DRS zones at Monaco. Probably would help at other circuits as well. Need to get cars closer for the brake zones. It's a sham but it's that or a parade with how big the cars are.

 

Has been a charade parade for years. Make it a charity race in a spec sportscar as M1 in the past.

It’s not a race just a Qualy duel lol.

 

That's actually a pretty good idea, and no idea why it wasn't implemented earlier at Monaco.

So long you're within a second, use DRS where you like...

 

I don´t think that free DRS would make a big difference, they already are using it in the longest straights.

I think the track needs a serious redesign to have at least one clear passing point. A cheaper solution could be strict defense rules, like not allowing to change the line when someone is in the inside.

 

A big difference it won't make, but any difference is welcome.

2026 cars are rumoured to be getting smaller again. Something that's desperately needed. Not just for monaco, for all tracks. Hopefully narrower tyres as well so cars have less grip.

 

You realize you just called the entire F1 forum idiotic?

 

Want a laugh? Search how many times the phrase "grow up" has been used by DF1 in the F1 forum

It's his standard, go-to insult (when he's not busy copying & pasting).

 

I don't think a higher aero to mechanical grip ratio is a good idea. That makes following a car even harder and thus less passing. The sound of smaller cars is very appealing though.

 

I like his copy and paste effort.

 

sometimes, me too ... but can't help but wonder if he ever reads what he copies

 

The only problem is how do you get all that electrical weight {battery, motors, generators,...} into a 600 Kg chassis along with 100 Kg of gasoline, a driver, engine, and bodywork.

If you want lighter more nimble cars, the EV-parts have to go.

 

true...but narrower cars = less ground effect. Also easily solved by reducing tunnel height surely...

Easy...run them on zero Carbon fuel and get rid of the heavy hybrid crap. I still say Porsche should forget about an actual F1 entry and enter F1 on a much more interesting way: Fuel supplier. Porsche sticker on every car. Allow 5% fuel mixture from the Shell's, Petronas of this world so they feel they've had something to do with it, too...

 

That's only if they reduce the width of the floor, which narrower tires doesn't necessarily mean. I think the truth is there is no magic fix that fixes everything. But making the cars smaller and lighter needs to be a priority.

 

A 600 Kg ca only needs 3/4 of the DF a 800 KG car needs.

 

Food for thought. In April 2008 during winter testing, Massa drove his F2008 with Barcelona high DF setup and the 2009 Bridgestone slick tires and did a lap of 1:18.339. The same aero and with grooved tires he did 1:20.283. So the slicks seemed to be worth about 2 seconds a lap. What is also fascinating is that in 2017, Kimi Raikkonen did a lap of 1:18.634 with ultra soft tires during winter testing in his SF70H. In 2018 the track was repaved and all the lap records were shattered, but from the info we have, a 2008 Formula 1 car with slicks is as fast or faster than a 2017 F1 car (excluding Mercedes perhaps). It gives you an idea how fast the 600 kg cars were, and that was with just 750 hp and no DRS. It would be so easy for Formula 1 to have a formula that was competitive, cost effective to the budget cap, a great show for the human senses (noise!), fast as F, and provides exciting racing. The only issue is it wouldn't be carbon neutral. They would in fact be significantly less efficient than the current cars. Is that a big deal? Not to me when you realize what a fake narrative it is when they will fly jumbo jets back and forth across the world week after week, and their typical diesel trucks and generators use more fossil fuels than the race cars will ever use in a weekend.

 

That is actually really interesting! Never knew of these laptimes. I've done similar comparrissons with some V10 cars driven on slicks but in detuned states and no optimum set up, so hard to get a truly accurate picture but this above says a lot...

Regarding not being carbon neutral....super easily fixed by running on Porsche's (and a few other companies now) zero carbon fuel. Won't even need to remap the engine for it to work. And it'll be cleaner than what they have now. Those batteries need not only creating but also disposing.

The pre 2014 cars looked so much faster on track. Combine that with 2022 aero and pre 2014 widths, V8 on zero carbon juice. Cheaper, more environmentally friendly racing. Everyone wins.

 

Alonso ran his R25 in Abu Dhabi at night on red banded tires(softs) in 2020. He came very close to equaling Lewis's fastest lap in 2019.

 

My guess is that if you add up all the fuels that::
a) the fans getting to and from the race is 97% of the fuel used {air, train, car, bus, trolley}
b) the trucks carrying the hosting containers is another 2%
c) leaving the cars themselves close to a rounding error; fuel consumption wise.

If you add in the fuel used by the people servicing (hotels, restaurants, bus drivers, taxies, pilots,...) the fans over that weekend the cars would be less than ½% of total fuel consumption.

It is all a big farce.

 

Remember to get all the F1 cars, F1 cargo from all the teams, F1 safety car and medical car, Pirelli tires, to Mexico City.

It took 7x 747's.

In fact, the distance for 2023 just in the US grand prix's(Las Vegas, COTA and Miami) is longer than all the GP's in Europe. (source: Reddit).

 

I wonder how many ACTUAL f1 fans really care about the carbon footprint of it all?

 

0.5% id say

 

So why does F1 mess around with it then? GO be a RACE organization. They still will have the same fans. Maybe more.

 

The Manufacturers are basically forced into green deal development and have to justify their racing by playing into it.

 

Apart from not racing, nothing is greener than zero carbon fuel.

 

Ouch......


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