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  1. Bas

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    #3902 Sempre_gilles, Jul 9, 2023
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    Why so unkind for Hamilton, after all it was Toto(*) himself who told Lewis last week on the radio that the Mercedes W14 is a bad car.

    You see, it is (really never!) Lewis his fault!;)

    (*) BTW, is it just me or did Toto age a lot recently (see pic in previous post)???
     
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  4. william

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    Statistically feasable yes.
     
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    I think it will get increasingly difficult to stay in front with the effects of the test limitations kicking in.
    There will be upgrades from Red bull but far less than the rest.
    Maybe if they get it right everytime they can just stay in front, but it won't be as easy anymore.
    So 12 wins would be far fetched I think, but I do hope he does it, just for the records.
     
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    possible but unlikely....he needs 10 out of 12 to equal Vettel or 11 out of 12 to topple him.

    Whichever way you look at it, it's a huge ask. Laws of diminishing returns mean the rest will keep getting closer. He'll need an engine change as well at some point and with the rest of the field much closer now, getting back to P1 is going to be very hard.
     
  7. william

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    It's a good target to be aiming at, and both Red Bull and Verstappen are up to the challenge.

    It would be something if RB was to win ALL the races on the calendar !!!
     
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    It would be quite something.

    Thankfully the racing from 2nd down is really good
     
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    Sometimes it is good when long standing records are broken.

    But I hated the years of Mercedes dominance. And even as very long time Ferrari supporter I disliked the years of Schumacher dominance. The sport is called racing and racing is what I expect / hope to see (preferably at the sharp end of the grid).
     
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    #3910 william, Jul 10, 2023
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    I think racing still exist during the period of dominance by one team.

    There is a hare and others trying to catch it ! That's interesting enough to follow, unless your fav team isn't winning, I guess.

    Personally, I have nothing against dominance; it's just the expression of excellence, and the reward for a job well done.

    I would hate it if the FIA was to manipulate the rules to get a "merry-go-round" simply to have different winners and please everyone.
     
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    I don't think for this race RB was totally in control and just driving as slow as possible to win. IMO it was Max making the difference today.

    It's still the fastest car but the margin for silverstone was tiny.
     
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    It was a hard race for RedBull. Do not forget Max had a sore thumb (though he didn't seem to recall why) and was also reporting nasty wind gusts straight into his face which he bravely defeated one after another .
    Not to mention that many times he cries about something wrong with this or that on a car, or that the car is "hard to drive" - and even Horner takes that as a bulkshit :d

    ... And some people were saying that Lewis was a whining princess :d
     
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    Fantastic reading skills.
     
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    Max can stop in the pits, get out and punch his mechanic. Get back in his car, and people will still ingore it and say Hamilton is whining.
     
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    Did i miss the part where Max was openly blaming and berating his team?
    ;)
     
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    Yeah, down to like 0.3s per lap from > 0.5

    VER will win every race that he doesn't have a mechanical issue or an accident (and accidents are unlikely if you can start at the front and lead throughout).
     
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    Yes, 'cause you only hear what you want to hear ;)

    PS
    I can't take F1 topic seriously since the hybrid era began. V6, turbocharged, nanny drivers, DRS etc.
    How people here change though ... You don't hear complaints about the sound any more, F1 cars driving like boats, ...

    F1 is changing to tastes of a soap opera lovers.
     
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    Please provide a link (any link will do) where Max was openly blaming and berating his team at Silverstone.

    Not providing commentary/feedback about this problem or that, mind you (tires, wind, etc) ... but directly blaming and berating the team, either on the radio or after the race.
     
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    Nice to see Jim Clark on that list. Cruel fate that he couldn't have more. Maybe William can share a remembrance- he (Clark, not William) was before my time.
     
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    What exactly is Max saying that is so bad?

    I heard him say the soft tires don't feel very good and he said the car was moving around a lot early, which the team said was because of the wind. He usually complains of downshifts, which I don't think Red Bull have confirmed or denied any actual issues.

    critical feedback and complaining of actual issues is normal with every driver, including Max and Hamilton. I just hate it when a driver complains about other drivers when they didn't do anything wrong, or they are hypocritical and complain about something then do the very thing themselves.
     
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    Maybe you want me to provide you also a free pizza? Then ask RedBull catering for that ;)
    BTW
    You can find even worse reports about Max eg laughing that RedBull does not need Perez :D because he [Max alone] can take care of the constructors championship too ;p

    Strange how Merc anti fans seemed to immediately see a conspiracy in Merc garage when Bottas was having car issues at starts etc, but all is silent when Perez is underperforming in a car that is head and shoulders above other teams.
    Yes, RedBull catering is very good for everything ;p
     
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    Strange how some people like to make accusations against Max but refuse to provide a shed of evidence.

    I don't recall anyone saying Bottas had unequal equipment. He was definitely the #2 and was forced to hurt his own race to support Lewis' at time. He was also never allowed to have different tires than Lewis. Remember the multiple times Bottas asked for different tires than Lewis, and his team refused?

    However I do recall Hamilton fans and Lewis Hamilton himself accusing Mercedes of giving Rosberg better equipment in 2016.
     
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    So there is no evidence of Max openly blaming and berating his team, and so now you deflect to ... catering :rolleyes:

    Got it! Thanks for playing :)
     
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    You probably don't understand the sarcasm in my reply LOL.

    You chose your words and want me to provide you evidence for "your words"? :rolleyes:
    Simply stunning. I thought Max was stupid sometimes when he crashed into others and wanted to twist them to explain, LOL But I see his supporters do that as well.

    Get yourself a can of that RedBull ;)
     
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    It's difficult to compare Jim Clark with todays drivers; he really dominated his era, even if he only won 2 titles before his career was cut short. His driving skill was head and shoulders about the others, and that's not exageration: he had the measure of G.Hill, Surtees, Gurney, Brabham, McLaren or else, and only Stewart did threaten him in his last season. Jim was only in F1 for 9 years, but did only 7 complete seasons. During that time, he raced in only 73 GPs (Max will do that in 3 seasons !), winning 1/3 of those: a very high percentage.
    Clark's racing technique was completely different than the one used today. In fact he didn't race wheel-to-wheel very often since contacts were avoided at that time. On a good day, Clark would have qualified on the front row, got a demon start and romped away at incredible speed to create a gap with the rest, then maintained it with help from pit signals from Colin Chapman to nurse the car to the finish. Cars were mechanically fragile then (more than 1/3 of Clark's GPs ended in engine failure!). His driving was undramatic and very fluid; it looked effortless, precise with no brutal steering correction, and hardly any braking felt in his progression. There was no agressive defense either if he was caught once in a while; sportmanship was still the rule then.
    Jim Clark was incredibly versatile, racing in different categories at the same event like many did in those days. You wouldn't see a world champ racing a national touring car series today like he did, and winning it. I remember watching him three-wheeling his Lotus Cortina at Brands in spectacular fashion.
    Out of the car, Clark was rather reserved to the point of shyness, but always composed, and showing no negative trait. His smile was often the answer to awkward questions from the journos: Jim was never heard criticising rivals or his team. His passing was a great loss to the sport. I remember watching footage of Graham Hill in the Hockenheim forest collecting parts of the car in which his partner had just died, very stoic, very British with stiff upper lip and all. Hill picked up the flame at Lotus and later took the title Clark would have undeniably won that year.
     
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