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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    2021 was a turning point. Hamilton AND Mercedes started to make uncharacteristic mistakes, and missed a few opportunities during the season. Whatever the shenanigans at Abu Dhabi, and the astonishing result, Max drove better than Hamilton that year, and deserved the title, IMO.
     
  2. ktu

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    You see your points as valid, that's ok. I don't. How did he drive Max off track in Monza if Max never went off track? He was still on track when they made contact. Max could have simply went straight to avoid contact. Max was not wise in choosing his options. Do you know how many times drivers go off track to avoid contact? Alot. Max made the decision in his mind to choose contact over gong off track. Things like this is why I can't take your points as valid, and that is fine.
     
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  3. SS454

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    Mercedes was way too dominant for way too long so Hamilton and Mercedes were never under real pressure. 2021 they had serious competition and they made mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if Red Bull made some mistakes after a few years of dominance too. At least I hope they do. :D
     
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  4. SS454

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    The Hamilton special. Push a driver off track. Max dove around the outside and had the right to space and Lewis squeezed him to the point his car was on the sausage curbs. If you think that's leaving space, then get new glasses. I do agree with you that Max could have gone straight. I believe he 100% was willing to take contact just to prove a point. Just because he didn't avoid the wreck doesn't mean he caused the wreck either.
     
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  5. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    All drivers push other drivers wide. The whole decision to attack there was a bad decision from Max.
     
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  6. 375+

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    That's his MO.
     
  7. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Max matches Schumacher's wins in Suzuka with 3.
     
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  9. TopspeedPT

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    He will have more in the future. FIA is in bed with Red Bull.
     
  10. jimmyb

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    Just for fun, let’s re-live the 2021 season…
    Or not. :rolleyes:

    When (not if) the day comes that Max has competition, no doubt he’ll be the perfect gentleman and move out of the way when someone tries to pass him…some of you guys are ridiculous with the Hamilton crap.
     
  11. Bas

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    You say that every week, and every week you're asked for proof.

    so...proof? Or just in your head as that's the only way you can accept it?
     
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  12. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Here's the difference with the "FIA is in bed with (whomever)"

    Schumacher and Max have won Suzuka 3x CONSECUTIVELY.

    Mika, Vettel and Hamilton have won Suzuka 2x UN-CONSECUTIVELY.

    Most of these drivers come from era's of domination BUT it's the level of dominance that one is able to dominate with regards to Suzuka. Some dominance stats whisper while other dominance stats SHOUT.
     
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  13. Slicknick

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    This… And there is no shame in admitting that someone is phenomenally good, even if they aren’t a Ferrari driver…

    Now, let me ask this to everyone … How many of you would absolutely love to see him drive for the Scuderis Ferrari??
     
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  14. st@ven

    st@ven F1 Rookie

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    Sure I would love to him him there. But only if Ferrari clean the house first. I think max has the real knowledge to really contribute the the development of the car so they do not immediately have to provide him with a winning car and a winning team of track support . But they do need the secure the proper infrastructure to build one and run it flawless. Not sure they have this now although it seems Vasseur is getting a better grip on things the last year.
     
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  15. william

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    Certainly not !!!
     
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  16. 375+

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    My problem is that the periods of domination by teams have become progressively worse(witness last season). Something is fundamentally wrong with F1.
     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, if I may:

    After RedBulls domination with Vettel(2010-2013), RedBull lost it in 2014 due to the turbo-hybrid era because Renaults PU sucks and still sucks to this day. RedBull still had a great aero package and suspension package but lacked in making their own PU.

    This is where MercedesAMGF1 picks up the domination in 2014 because of the advancement in the turbo-hybrid engine. Once Honda found their collaboration with RedBull, then RedBulls aero, chassis and suspension kicked into high gear with the Honda PU and were in contention with MercedesAMGF1 in 2021.

    Then in 2022, MercedesAMGF1 went with their zero sidepod design and mostly everyone was porpoising. This bold move by MercedesAMGF1 proved as a disadvantage for 2 years and in 2023 came back with a sidepod design. However, by this time, MercedesAMGF1 had lost engineers to other teams. Mercedes looks lost and IMO have reverted back to themselves before 2014.

    RedBull is currently dominating from 2021 till current and I believe will continue to do so into the 2026 new formula now that they have their own powertrain division.

    If MercedesAMGF1 doesn't turn it around in 2026, they'll leave F1 because the formula in 2026 doesn't benefit their long term ideology for their production cars.
     
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  18. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I am puzzled by that comment. What do you mean by long term ideology ? Please explain.
    I don't see manufacturers motivated by an ideology, but adapting their range to electrification, in view to meet the European Union deadline in 2035,banning the sale of carbon emitting vehicles.
     
  19. jgonzalesm6

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    Because the new formula is dumbing down the PU and IF I'm correct, this isn't in MercedesAMGF1's ethos of advancing the PU. Yes, the MGU-K gets beefed up.
     
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  20. william

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    Mercedes has already a production range of ICE, hybrid and electric cars. What is their ethos on PU ?
    The new engine formula is sharing the power output 50/50 between the ICE and electric power inside the PU.
    Any progress in hybrid technology will benefit Mercedes, like it will do to Audi, potentially Honda and Ford.
     
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  21. jgonzalesm6

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  22. jpalmito

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  23. Ferraripilot

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    As I stated in the Red Bull thread, Max needs to get out now. Red Bull are brand new at developing powertrains and they are not about to get it right the very first time out of the gate, it even took Honda ages to get it right. Mercedes and Ferrari know that game and either one will be the team to be at come 2026
     
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  24. jpalmito

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    This !
     
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