Mclaren F1 Top Speed Record...Finally Broken!

Warren you're shalllow minded do you really think a car can beat a jet?. Ask any fighter pilot and they would tell you other wise.

anyways this has nothing to do with the topic so im not going get off topic here.

 

What you are failing to understand is that only extremely high powered cars can beat a fighter jet over a very short distance. We are not talking about navy aircraft being launched off a steam catapult here, we are talking about very high powered race/road cars launching and accelerating to a distance in a short span of time that a jet simply can't do without full afterburner. I have seen The players CART cart driven by Carpentier out accelerate a Jet, a Viper Competition Coupe do it, and also the Ferrari F2003 out accelerate the Eurofighter to a few hundred meters.

 

this 'should' stop all the arguments.

http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=86&page=1&type=news

My congragulations to koenigsegg ,well done.

 

I think we were sidetracked on a different issue, overlooking the achievement. Unfortunately now the thread has turned to whether a car could beat a jet in a race.

 

Whoa whoa ... warren is shallow minded? You aren't going to get off topic? A little too late for that

 

I have been waiting since I saw Jeremy Clarkson test drive the Koenigsegg for it to demonstrate its top speed capabilities. I am happy for them, it's qite the achivement.

 

Firstly, I never even mentioned the jet in my post.

Secondly, yes, I believe that a car can beat a jet-- to an extent. As it has already been beaten to death, a jet doesn't have the 0-60, 0-100, or even 0-125mph acceleration that a car can hustle up. It's the 150-1000mph that the car is lost.


On that note, yes, it is impressive that a car, a 'vette even, beat the F-18. If it wasn't so difficult, Ford would use it in their Mustang marketing strategy. You'll notice that it took an 800 horsepower TwinTurbo 427 to do it, and as we all know, 0-60 in 1.97 seconds is pretty freakin' fast, even if it is just a crappy slow Corvette.

 

I cannot seem to find the numbers. Can anyone tell me how many "production" Koenigseggs are actually on the streets? I assume that there are enough of them running around to make this a true production availability car. If it takes over 800hp to do it, congratulations. Koenigsegg just beat a 627hp 10 year old BMW V12 record.

 

A car can easily beat a jet. Up to a certain point, and that point is reached after take off.

 

Being an aerospace engineer I have to say, a car beating a jet is not impressive in the least. Yes, it could be done in a short sprint, but so what, its a freaking airplane, talk about apples to oranges. Jets are not built to sprint the 1/4 mile.

I say BFD.

Anyway here is a favourite picture of mine, I have it hanging on my wall.
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Exactly. I mean I could push one of my toy Enzo Hotwheels cars really hard and beat an Actual Enzo for maybe half a second but the Enzo is still going to win in the long run.

 

u guys who think the vette is crap...well, think of this. how much do u pay for an average ferrari...lets say ~150K..fair?
ok, now take a vette, 50K Z06. give it to Lingenfelter (some of u need to spell his name right and give this "Legend" credit! ) and have them do the 427 twin turbo package, uhmm...another 46K, grand total, ~100K...

now a modded LPE vette vs ur stock/modded Ferrari..whose going to win, the vette. if i recall, the vette had the landspeed record for a daily driver to be 226mph... by daily driver, i mean, one could drive it to the track, race it hardcore, then drive it home... not many will drive their $1mil McLaren's or $250K+ ferrari to the track, beat the crap out of them, then drive it home... just doesn't happen, unless the guys is extremely rich and really doesn't give a rats butt...know what i mean..

u guys need to give credit to LPE, he engineering and developments are truly the best bang for the buck...

not that im sayin i don't like the F-car or Koenigsegg aren't baddass!! i would take one in a heart beat just for the "oooo" factor!!! but c'mon, vettes are not that bad...

just my .02...
Aj

 

Any help here? I am curious as to just how many will be able to own and enjoy the new record holder.

 

The Konigsegg and most supercars after the F1 have been subject to much stricter regulations as regards to safety which has slowed them down. I do not think the record car had 627bhp as it was "slightly modified." The F1 LM which I believe set the record made 680bhp. That's besides the point. I remember an interview with Gordon Murray where he stated that he didn't think it would ever be beaten because of new regs. The timing of the F1 was just right because of the technology available and the regulations the car had to meet. This is very impressive no matter which way you look at it and so is 9ff's record. BTW, both cars cost about 1/4 what the 232mph F1 cost. Also, if this is so unimpressive, why didn't the Enzo do it?

 

I have wondered all my life, since Ferrari, Jag, and Mercedes had cars that could achieve 200 mph in the late 1950's, why cars havnt greatly exceeded that figure in the past 40 odd years. Having been up near that speed once in a car, as well as close to the ground at that speed in an airplane, I can only say that no matter what your in, its incredibly dangerous, even in an airplane close to the earth. And at that speed, its really not your life that is only at stake if something went bad. I dont really see as we have goten to far in that span of time. 300 mph should be the next "window".

 

The problem is the power required increases exponentially with speed and is governed by drag. You can only make a two seated car so slippery to the air and that will be the limiting factor in the top speed for years.

 

The car used to set the record back then may have been slightly modified but the LM cars were de-tuned to under 600hp. Gordon Murray said that the lower hp would work better with the chasis and allow the car better endurance in the long races. If believe I still have that information somewhere but I will have to dig it up.

The one I got to drive for three days was tested by Mario Andretti at the tire test track in Fort Stockton, Texas but the track there is not long enough to let the car get up to full speed. I only had it up to 175 mph because I did not have an adequate place to let it out.......

 

This is the CCR that broke the record.
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Let them have there moment of glory.......Ferrari was the first to break 200mph and they'll be the first to break 300mph

 

First of all, let's start off by saying that the Veyron is a joke. It can't pass 200mph without disintegrating. Anyway, the CCR despite it;s impressive but it was built to break the record, just like that modified porsche was. The BMW powered McLaren was built to be, like the CG, a Le mans type car and happened to break the speed record. It is over 10 years old and still considered the best super car ever made.

 

First of all, let's start off by saying that the Veyron is a joke. It can't pass 200mph without disintegrating. Anyway, the CCR despite it;s impressive but it was built to break the record, just like that modified porsche was. The BMW powered McLaren was built to be, like the CG, a Le mans type car and happened to break the speed record. It is over 10 years old and still considered the best super car ever made.

As far as the jet, yes it is pretty easy to beat a jet in a short distance. I think Impala made the best comparison saying that he could basically beat a real enzo with his toy in a foot-long-dragrace.

 

Vee Squared is a *****...

 

Did you just use the "but for the price of your car I can modify my car to beat it".

Lamest. Argument. EVER!

You can tie a stick of dynamite to a turd and it will beat any Vette down a 1/4 mile, but would you want to own it?

Not saying Corvettes are bad, but the "put that money into the Vette and see what you get" is the lamest of the lame. And the answer is that what you get is a bastardized car with horrendous resale value, that looks like every other car of it's model (even though it's been paid double for), has not $50k of curb appeal over a normal Corvette, loses its factory warranty, doesn't have the same engineering/daily driveability as an OEM car, and has much worse depreciation.

 

Huh?

How many fighter pilots do you know who cruise around in Ferraris on their off-time?

In a 1/4 mile run, a fast car is going to be faster than a fast jet, IMO.

I have three bases for that assertion. first was the test listed in this thread. second was the Corvette test that happened about a year back in Bowling green. Third was the Viper vs. Viper (Viper jet vs Viper car) that happened in Arizona a year or two back. In EVERY instance, the cars won. I believe the Viper even spanked the jet when the jet was using full afterburners.

You don't have to like it, but you do have to concede it. The argument is solid, and certainly decimates your "yeah well you are dumb if you believe it, ask any pilot" rebuttal.

 

Hahaha! OWNED!