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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by refarri, Oct 10, 2017.

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  1. Lusso123

    Lusso123 Formula 3
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    PayPal is really only good for buyers. Their service sucks for sellers and merchants, which is why as a small business owner I do not accept PayPal for payments. Too risky. I take credit cards, and checks, which we wait to clear. Unfortunately PayPal seems to always side with the buyers, and it is simply too risky to use for payments unless very small, and you can afford to take the potential loss.
     
  2. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
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    ?? Care to elaborate ?
     
  3. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
    114

    Shipping was included in the sale originally, and I paid again to send to Sydney after it was sent back to me by customs re the inflator.!
     
  4. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
    114

    Woahh.. Hey I haven't said I won't post anything I just don't want this annoying the buyer any more than need be so I might get a resolution ! If I thought it would get me the item back quicker of course I'd post everything, I've nothing to hide here !
    Other people's issues (vetroresina,) are irrelevant here and have no bearing whatsoever on this matter..so lets stick to this little caper, and not paint me as some kind of villain..
    Look I'm out of pocket here..I've sold an item to someone who has for whatever reason got a refund from PayPal..and now refuses to return the item !
    Bear in mind the refund was given on the 24 th of August by PayPal !
    It's now Oct.. And the only reason I've got any kind of reply from the buyer after all this time and many many emails and pm's on here is that I posted a warning on here as I was prompted to do by the administrators.
    I haven't done anything wrong I'm not a scammer I'm a private individual who sold something to someone who won't return it despite having a refund.. thats it !
    Just one question I keep asking myself..why didn't the seller contact me when he received the refund? Why didn't he return the item as soon as he had the money? Why's it taken me to do this(which I'd rather not do to be honest) to get a response and a rightful resolution. ?
    He's got the money back I want the item back, that's all..this is to be honest getting a little out of hand I feel !
     
  5. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
    114

    Thank you, nice and simple I appreciate that and agree..
     
  6. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
    114

    How is the advert misleading ?
    It advertises a large 355 toolkit which is exactly what was sold and sent, no pictures were asked for by Gary.
    The reason in fact that the ads are together in the first place was that a FC admin put them like that ( all ads for the same items together) which I did make the point at the time could confuse ! ( it's in my pm's)
    How on earth can Gary be not at fault ?
    He has the refund and has refused to return the item which belongs to me surely !
    Refused to reply to any messages until now also. I've paid twice to send the item to him. Why should I pay again to return it ?
    What would you do in this situation ?
     
  7. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
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    the only reason why the ads are even in the same place is that a FC admin put them like that , suggesting all ads for the same type of items should be together ! Did suggest at the time that could confuse .. All I did was post an ad for an item I had for sale..I didn't layout the ads like that !
     
  8. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
    114

    The that Gary bought from was for a 'large'355 toolkit...the pic above for the ad a year earlier clearly shows a small..later ..355 kit..!
    You're not allowed to 'bump'adverts so I am led to believe by the rules on ads ! So I wouldn't do that!,
     
  9. refarri

    refarri Karting

    Aug 22, 2008
    114

    Excerpt from the PayPal website.
    Note the bit about who pays for return of item..



    If you purchased the item on eBay, use the eBay Resolution Centre. If you purchased the item on a site other than eBay, use the PayPal Resolution Centre.

    There are 2 kinds of disputes:

    • Item Not Received – You bought something but didn’t receive it. (Wait at least 3 days from the transaction date to give your seller enough time to ship the item.)
    • Significantly Not as Described – You received an item but it was significantly different from the seller’s original description. (You might have to pay return shipping costs.)
     
  10. Aircon

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    Jun 23, 2003
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    It says "might"

    The ad is misleading, no doubt about it. Is it your fault? Maybe not, but definitely not Gary's fault, so why should he be out of pocket? If it's the moderation team as you say, get them to pay for the shipping. Gary is the only innocent party, it seems.

    Maybe you should have insisted on a new and separate advertisement.

    I also find it a bit suspicious that you didn't post photos of the actual tool kit in the advertisement.

    So.. That's my opinion anyway.
     
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  11. Maranello550

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    This guy has really poor communication skills and mix that with arrogance what a combination.......In trying to destroy my credibility on an international website all he has managed to do is expose himself for what he really is with other people coming out of the woodwork having been ripped off......It's called Karma....and it has now totally exposed you and your dealings. Gator I have posted the PayPal case with the conditions so you can see I tried to do all the right things. This whole process has caused enough angst in my life......So Mike or Brent or whatever your real name is you have officially closed the door on all communications by taking the path you have taken. I hope the moderators permanently ban you as you add no value to this great community. This will be my last post on this matter........
     
  12. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    Hypothetical Q's:

    Refarri,
    If someone at a swap meet, Craigslist or Ebay offered you a 355 kit for whatever the shipping cost would be to get the other one back, wouldn't you buy it in a second to flip here?

    Maranello550
    If you got the shipping cost from Refarri would you have any reason to not return it?



    **** happens and business is business. Seems like a no-brainer to me....
     
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  13. ReyF

    ReyF Karting

    Jan 10, 2017
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    First off, Paypal protects both..buyer and seller. I've done enough dealings to be on either end. You have to do your part to protect yourself as a buyer and seller. Once again plenty of photos and videos will do the trick.

    There is a lesson to be learned for from this current dilemma both members are going through. First off, always do your best to describe your item properly. Send your buyer as many current photos as possible..before and after packaging. Do not include shipping in your price. You can always refund shipping to the buyer once the buyer receives the item and he or she is happy with it. This way the buyer has skin in the game.

    As a buyer, if the seller has included shipping (on the sellers dime) and you turn out not to be happy with the item then the cost of shipping should be on you. Remember the seller had to obtain packaging materials, pack the item plus take the time out to take the item to his or her local post office (time is money). Keep in mind, most members probably sell things as a hobby and not a business. So i.e. if the seller pays $50 shipping (included in the selling price) to the buyer and then $50 shipping the item back from the seller then that leaves the seller eating the cost both ways...which in my opinion is not not fair.
     
  14. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    But wait a minute...it's one thing if the purchaser isn't happy, but if the item is misrepresented, why should the purchaser be out of pocket?
     
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  15. Casino Square

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    I know Maranello550 personally. He is a person of high integrity. The OP is barking up the wrong tree. Rerrari, you need to resolve the issue that 550 raised.
     
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  16. ReyF

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    This is why I said "describe your item properly". Always keep in mind that every individual may see an item different and words should be matched up with detailed photos. A buyer is equally responsible to request detailed photos prior to purchase and shipping. Saves a lot of headaches down the road.
     
  17. ReyF

    ReyF Karting

    Jan 10, 2017
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    I would like to add that COMMUNICATION is key and a seller should always follow his or her item. A transaction by a hobbyist should not be a sell it and forget it. Make sure your buyer knows he has X amount of days to return the item if the item was not as described.

    Selling is a learning curve, hopefully this issue gets resolved and some may have learned something helpful in the process.
     
  18. Casino Square

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    Another lesson. DO NOT try and rip off a FChat member. We are a community, and we have a long memory. Just do the right thing and make peace with 550. You sent him a product that was not as described. Paypal concluded the same. Man up and own it.
     
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  19. VetroresinaNL

    VetroresinaNL Formula 3
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    Ah it is all PayPals and FChats fault.... HAHAHA com on, you're fraud. Period. So enough said, he lost money, I lost money and there is a wrong toolkit in Australia... Happy Refarri?
     
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  20. GatorFL

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    Nov 18, 2005
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    When Gary says you have communication issues, I have to agree.

    Here is what we know: Gary got a 355 kit in mid May that was not as advertised. After not being able to reach you (despite the fact that you were posting on Chat in Mid-June) he opened a complaint with PayPal and they ultimately sided with him. From his perspective, and PayPal's, he is done. Then you start this thread to "out" him as a scammer. Have you ever offered to pay the shipping so you can obtain the item?

    Subsequently, another FChatter, VetroresinaNL, said he had a bad dealing with you as well. What is your plan to make him whole?

    Gary has posted definitive proof from PayPal, you need to post definitive proof backing up your claims if you want to continue to sell your items on Ferrarichat.
     
  21. Fairview

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    This is a sad thread, I think. We are a relatively small group and with our common interest in unique and interesting cars, we should be the "best of the best". My experiences here, both as a buyer and seller have all been excellent. I haven't run into one person who has been anything other than truthful and accurate and prompt.

    Now I see this thread and it led me to search for refarri's past transactions. The few I could find do not list an asking price, but "pm me for price and details." I suppose there are sometimes good reasons for being secretive about the price, but that always says to me the seller doesn't want the public scrutiny as to the terms. In other words, the seller has something to hide or is confused about the value of the item and wants to tease out bids from buyers.

    Another thing about the few ads I could find for refarri show a disturbing trend of there always being a problem. The item wasn't sent at all, it was sent late after a complaint, or now, the item was not as advertised. The buyers each were longtime members.

    On top of his history, we now have a seller with a track record of problematic transactions starting this thread to call into question a valued member's ethics. If the seller is too secretive to even list a price in his ads, it seems odd he would use a public forum to expose the more intimate details of a deal gone wrong. He obviously is not concerned about giving us a "warning", but in using the forum to pressure the buyer to pay the shipping to return his non conforming goods.

    If the seller were to be selling on eBay, he would be paying at least 10% to sell, plus their fees on the shipping costs, etc. Here he can essentially sell for free, without fear of a "negative rating" at least until he started this thread. Is it then too much to ask that he pay the shipping to get the item back on a deal gone wrong? It will bring this sad tale to a close.
     
  22. Kingvogue

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    Yes, of course. Wire transfer is the same as cash in hand, the buyer can’t reverse charges.
     
  23. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    Still.....

    If Gary agrees to return it with the shipping cost covered then he's 100% in the good, if he doesn't then you gotta wonder why, even if he's pissed? Gary, do you still have it or did I miss something?

    On the flip side of the coin, if Refarri isn't willing to cough up a small fraction of the $800 a good 355 kit is worth to get it back then he knowingly defrauded Gary and deserves to be outed like this, and maybe more.

    my .02
     
  24. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
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    I had no communication when trying to resolve the issue amicably because he had my money. As soon as the case was awarded to me all I got was a barrage of emails full of threats. At no stage did he say he would pay the postage. The threats just kept coming and then this.....I also got an email asking for $500 which in my eyes shows that he knew he had deceived me.....I haven't responded to his emails because I don't respond to threats. He should be banned from this forum. I have bought many things off Fchat, the last being a set of headers off Johnny. All of my transactions have been a fantastic
    Experience......look how long he has been a member and how many posts he has. As I said before he brings no value to this community but just uses it as a cheap eBay platform....

    .
     
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  25. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah I get that but if he offers to pay you should send it back. If he doesn't then you were 100% right.


    .... and then offer it for free to the first person to PM you the cost of shipping. LOL
     
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