Merged: 0117 S - This Week's Barn Find

I have no idea but if you have that kind of jack you could probably fabricate your own from scratch.

 

The motor's out there somewhere, it was rumored to be installed in 0131E. Buy both cars, swap motors, have Ferrari build a new 212 motor for 0131E and bingo, you've got two cars with stories and you're under water big time!

T308

 

Yes, But IMO, doing that would make the car even more of a replica. It needs a REAL 195 motor, even if it isn't the one from this exact car..

 

Car is like this for 50 years and will stay like this I believe.
Don t make complicate a simple story

 

At the Antwerp Classic Salon, i helped Paul Grant to put 0117S onto his trailer.He was there with only 2 cars, the other, an original 1972 911 RS, he let me drive back to Brussels. Amazing experience.

 

The simple story is that the original coachwork has an amazing race history, this present coachwork was just sitting in a garage for 40 years.

 

It is NOT like this for 50 years. The 250 GTE motor in the car now did not even exist 50 years ago!

 

No. According to Mr.Massini, the car was built as a 195 with Motto coachwork in 1951, and the current body was put on the car in 1956.

The current motor is from a 250GTE, and wasn't put into the car until the late 1960s.

In my OPINION, it's not the spider body that is inappropriate; it's the motor. Regardless if the spider body is kept on the car, or a 195 Motto body recreation is built and installed on the cahassis, the car should have a 195 motor, not a 250 GTE motor...

 

I heard a 212 engine was installed in the '90s

 

Not according to post #40 in this thread....

 

Agree. An appropriate engine would make this car something appropriate.

Pete

 

those pics show an outside plug engine. cannot be a 195 imho.

it looks like a gte or similar vintage for sure.

tom w

 

Yes the car CURRENTLY has the WRONG engine in it, a 250GTE engine. The chassis SHOULD have a 195 engine ...

Pete

 

Or, we could enjoy it for the vintage hotrod that it is... but then I though that Tom S. should have kept the Devin body on 202.

Regards,

Art S.

 

right.

we are in agreement.

did i miss something?

tom w

 

dretceterini and I (+ others?) are suggesting that the 250GTE engine be ripped out and a 195 engine sourced to make the car more correct.

Thus we knew that the current engine was not a 195 .
Pete

 

I like this car "as is". One must accept that the original car is largely gone. We now have a frame, a very "hot" surplus body and an engine that fits well into the picture. The car "as is" will be easy to maintain and the 250-engine is surplus as the car it came from is - even by my standards - too far gone anyway. Best wishes, Kare

 

Agree. Were it mine, I'd change the dash/wheel setup. It just oozed GTE, not 50s sports racer. Other than that, leave it alone.

T308

 

fully agree; leave it like this, it s great

 

My point is that this car is too important to leave as a "bitsa" The chassis is from 195 with Mille Miglia history. The body was put on the car as early as 1956. With the 195 motor installed, it could be brought back to as it was in 1956. If a replica Motto body was installed in addition to the 195 motor, it would be as close as possible to the way it was built in 1951. Obviously the owner of the car can do as he wishes...

 

C'mon! 195 was just another "interim" for road use, nothing important by any standard and the Motto Coupé has been dead for 50 years already. Nobody could replicate those unique lines (who could replicate an unseen Motto body, when nobody seems to even be able to make a decent copy of a Touring Barchetta!!!), we've seen enough repros that look like ****. Best wishes, Kare

 

Kare,

you are in line with my way of thinking.



Stu,

Your suggestion would turn a car from something that may be a bitsa or a hotrod but with continuous progressive history that is pretty cool into a tech needle resto (probobly a bad one) of a long dead car.

I like that this one is left in cleaned up - as found condition.

Regards,

Art S.

 

Ok then, bring it back to 1956 with the current body and a 195 motor. As it is, with a 250 motor, it is nothing more, IMO, than a late 1960s "bitsa"

 

Yeah I'm with Stu here, a period motor (and definitely wheels) would make this car.

The current motor is no better than a Chev v8 installation.
Pete

 

i was responding to post 110. i guess i must not have followed every twist of the thread.

tom w