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Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30 engine oil

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by AEHaas, Mar 16, 2004.

  1. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

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    Product Description
    Team Penske, West McLaren Mercedes, Porsche, Mopar Performance, Corvette Racing and an incredible 74 percent of NASCAR drivers trust Mobil 1 technology to protect their racing engines. *Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30, specifically designed for exceptional performance and protection in NASCAR engines, is now being made available to consumers.
    Features & Benefits
    Mobil 1 Racing 0W-30 is a proprietary blend of high-performance synthetic basestocks fortified with SuperSyn anti-wear technology. *This advanced protection is engineered to deliver maximum horsepower.
    Has boosted levels of anti-wear protection -- well beyond those of ordinary automotive oils -- to help protect engines even during grueling racing applications.
    Maximizes power output by reducing internal friction.
    Has outstanding shear stability and a robust additive package to help reduce oil breakdown and help extend engine life, even under the most extreme conditions.
    Compared to conventional racing oils and higher-viscosity synthetic motor oils, it provides faster flow to critical engine parts at low temperatures.



    I just picked this up from their web site.

    Unlike other "racing" lubricants this product does not state that it should not be used in regular engines. I did notice that the product's high temperature shear viscosity is less than that of regular dino Pennzoil engine oils. In other words, it is thinner than other oils at very high temperatures. This goes alone with statements I have made previously. The oil is thinner at lower temperatures and thinner at higher temperatures than other lubricants of the same viscosity rating.

    "74 percent of NASCAR drivers" use Mobil 1. I am beginning to think that Mobil 1 may be better than other synthetic oils. Before this time I would say they are all the same if they give you the viscosity you need. I personally have been using it because it was the most thin regular use oil.

    https://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_Racing_0W-30.asp

    aehaas
     
  2. ChrisfromRI

    ChrisfromRI Karting

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    If "74 percent of NASCAR drivers" use Mobil 1, might that also be at least partially attributed to promotional issues that have little bearing on performance. By promotional issues, I mean they get paid to use it, get it for free, and/or are provided other perks to use it.

    With respect to performance, I use Mobil1 myself, but not because it is used for racing. I use it because I believe it will make my engines last longer. I also believe that lasting longer and going faster are generally mutually exclusive goals. After all, race engines just have to last for a finite number of hours/races, while my engines should last a really long time...

    Kind Regards, Chris
     
  3. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    Aehaas,
    great post. I think one of the concerns for those of us with 308/328/Mondials, is that last recommedation/service bulletin was to use the Agip syth 10w-40 (since Agip quit making 10w-50 (this is a semi-synth, I think)). see: http://bingo.cdyn.com/ferrari/328_bulletins.pdf Page 82.

    I have been trying to stick close to that rating, and have used Shell Rotella T 5w-40 (full synthetic). But it seems to me, based on your analysis, that it may be better for me to use a 0w-40 or even a 0w-30. How important is the upper number? Obviously the original spec for the 3x8 series was 10w-50, then 10w-40, and now with the Shell endorsement, I imagine they are recommending Shell Helix 5w-40....but is the 40, that critical? Would a 30 weight oil hurt anything? I realize you cannot make a specific recommendation, but do you think (off hand) that a 0w-30 would likely be fine?

    Regards,
    Dave
     
  4. AEHaas

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    Chris,
    As I have stated in the past I used Mobil 1 only because it was the least honey-like oil at start up temperatures. I did not choose it because I thought it was better than other synthetic oils. On the other hand, we have to go with the information we are able to accumulate. NOW, I would state that I will stick with Mobil 1 until something I have studied seems better. The moment I find something better I will go to it.

    Dozens of people state that oils are thinner today to increase gas milage only, that longevity of the engine is not a consideration. All racing breed auto manufactures are also specifying thinner oils. I maintain that they are doing so because that is what is better for performance and longevity, not one of each but rather both.

    When I switched from the Agip 5W-40 engine oil that came with my wife's new Murcielago the valve tappet noise was silenced. I used 0W-30 Mobil 1. The USA Lamborghini tech was really interested in this fact. Several people from Ferrari and Lamborghini are on my list of techs that I am in constant communication with.

    Dave,
    You have to go back to the operation of your engine. What pressure does the manual state they want you to have? The manual of the 575 M states the target pressure is around 75 - 80 PSI at 6,000 RPM at YOUR operating temperature. I am getting 75 PSI at 2,000 RPM at MY OPERATING temperature. Therefore, according to the Maranello manual I need a thinner oil. I will admit that I am a little chicken to go below a 20 wt. oil and in fact there is no currently available regular use oil below 20 wt.

    ali

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  5. ria

    ria Formula Junior

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    i use the mobil 1 / 0w-30 engine oil on my ZZ430 the factory recomends that i use this oil ONLY.
     
  6. AEHaas

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    Dave,
    I studied this reference ( http://bingo.cdyn.com/ferrari/328_bulletins.pdf ). It calls for an SF rated oil. This rating is so old as to be useless. Clearly in my mind the newer SG, then SH, SI, SJ and now SL rated oils are far ahead of the old SF rating. If you study the SAE chart you will see that there are a hundred performance characteristic that all result in better performance in terms of better longevity, lower wear and higher HP than you can imagine. This is all based on the rating and not on the viscosity. The increased rating is viscosity independent.

    aehaas
     
  7. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    Okay, you asked....I get around 40-45 psi at idle (this is at operating temp), and at 2k around 70 psi, and at 6k rpm, I am hitting the pressure bleed off max of around 90-95psi. The max pressure spec is 92 psi (or there about) at 6k rpm.

    This is using Shell Rotella T (full synthetic) 5w-40 API rated SL.
    www.rotella.com

    Dave
     
  8. AEHaas

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    Dave,
    You should be able to go to a 30 wt oil. The pressures will drop probably 5 PSI in my experience.

    ali
     
  9. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    While I believe the presented data, you should consider that NASCAR engines get an oil change every time they come in off the track into the pits for longer than 30 minutes.
     
  10. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    Thanks Aehaas,
    I have a bunch of Mobil 1 5w-30 on the shelf, so will give it a try, and see what the pressures read. Will be doing the oil change in the next couple weeks.

    Regards,
    Dave
     
  11. Tifoso1

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    Hey Dave,

    Glad to see you have your steed back in the stable again.

    I have been using Mobil1 0W-40 in all my cars since they appeared on the US market about 3 years ago. And as you know, the TR has been faithfully serviced at the local dealership until recently, ie: Agip 10W-40 from 91-96 and Shell from 96-03. Anyway, I think Mobil 0W-40 is the perfect oil to use in our cars, especially if the car is a 12-cyclinder, with updated gaskets that is. As you know, discussion on motor oils and gear box oils, for one reason or another tends to turn personal and even heated sometimes on the open forum. Hence, I try to stay away from them. But if you like, I can share my personal experiences with Mobil products and my knowledge on these topics via e-mail. Good day.

    -Anthony
     
  12. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    Thanks Anthony!

    Based on Aehaas' posts, I am coming to the conclusion that Mobil 1 5w30 or 0w-30 may be a more appropriate choice. I have a bunch of 5w-30 sitting on the shelf at home, so I will install it this weekend and see what the oil pressure readings show.

    Regards,
    Dave
     
  13. Dave

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    While this has nothing to do with using Mobil 1 in a Ferrari,
    I thought that I would mention that we have come across a problem
    using synthetic oil in newly built race motors.
    Valve train problems and failures, cam, roller rockers, and such.
    After a call to the manufacture of said racing products, the reply was...
    Your not using synthetic oil are you, that stuff is too slippery.
    Problem solved.
     
  14. gyrokeith

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    When I was still in college working on my automotive engineering degree my prof mentioned some things about oil. In his earlier days he ran some oval track 6 cylinder chevys. They purposely dropped the oil pressure to about 6 psi at 6000 rpm. They were using hydraulic lifters and wanted them to function as solids (not pump up), as some racing requires stock only components.

    He mentioned that the wear rate of the bearings was only slightly worse this way than with stock oil pressure. And I always use a mechanical oil pressure gauge on the engine, electric gauges are only like + - 10% at best, at least when it comes to production cars..

    Also don't forget that thinner oils tend to allow more blowby past the pistons.. you gotta change it more often (even synthetics). I'll stick with my heavier oil. As I have said before, I've never had any oil related engine failures up to this point and I drive the crap out of everything I own.

    Go fiqure!
     
  15. f355spider

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    Aehaas,
    I went ahead and changed my oil Friday night (now using Mobil 1 5w-30, previously Shell Rotella T full synthetic 5w-40), and have been driving extensively this weekend. My oil pressures are essentially the same. I can detect no difference. Perhaps it IS lower, but the coarse gradations on the gauge make it difficult to tell?

    Dave
     
  16. AEHaas

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    Dave,
    The Rotella 5W-40 has a viscosity of 90 at 104F and 15 at 212F.
    The Mobil 1 5W-30 has a viscosity of 54 at 104F and 10 at 212F.

    The difference at operating temperature is not much but at start up the difference is very large. Obviously the pressures are good at operating temperature, the flow is probably better with the 5W-30.

    The bonus here is that at start up you get better flow and less wear.
    I use the 0W-20. Again, about the same pressure at operating temperature however I get way more flow at start up. I can "step on it" sooner without worry.

    ali
     
  17. 355f

    355f Formula Junior

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    would you be able to come up with some statistics about Shell Ultra, 5/40 the one ferrari suggests as their oil of preference and compare it to mobil, castrol RS ect??

    Whilst I accept that all oils have to perform to a standard what are your thoughts?
     
  18. AEHaas

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    Here are some stats:
     
  19. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    Thanks Aehaas,
    I am convinced that I should use a oil that is thinner at start up. I never realized until your posts last year, that all "5w-x" oils are not equal at 104f(40c), and that huge differences exist.

    BTW, there is a another 5w-40 synthetic oil not listed in your chart that I have used in the past....Valvoline.

    Regards,
    Dave
     
  20. AEHaas

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    Give me a few days. I am updating some charts. You will have your Valvoline then.

    aehaas
     
  21. Dale

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    Hi guy's you may all know this but just a word of caution,
    be carful with these oil's,certain types are a health hazard,
    wear rubber gloves of some type,if you get it on your skin wash it off
    immediately,

    cheers guys
    Dale.
     
  22. AEHaas

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    I have posted here the MSDS, materials safety data sheet, for Mobil 1 0W-30 motor oil. You must be carefull handling fluids in general. This product appears however, to be very safe to handle.




    481168-00 MOBIL 1 0W-30
    MATERIAL SAFETY DATA BULLETIN
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    1. PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
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    PRODUCT NAME: MOBIL 1 0W-30
    SUPPLIER: EXXONMOBIL OIL CORPORATION
    3225 GALLOWS RD.
    FAIRFAX, VA 22037

    24 - Hour Health and Safety Emergency (call collect): 609-737-4411

    24 - Hour Transportation Emergency:
    CHEMTREC: 800-424-9300 202-483-7616
    LUBES AND FUELS: 281-834-3296

    Product and Technical Information:
    Lubricants and Specialties: 800-662-4525 800-443-9966
    Fuels Products: 800-947-9147
    MSDS Fax on Demand: 613-228-1467
    MSDS Internet Website: http://emmsds.ihssolutions.com/
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    2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
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    CHEMICAL NAMES AND SYNONYMS: SYN. HYDROCARBONS AND ADDITIVES

    GLOBALLY REPORTABLE MSDS INGREDIENTS:

    None.

    OTHER INGREDIENTS:

    Substance Name Approx. Wt%
    -------------- -----------
    POLYALKYLENE SUCCINIC ACID, 1-5
    POLYAMINE DERIVATIVE
    (147880-09-9)
    See Section 8 for exposure limits (if applicable).

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    3. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
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    Under normal conditions of use, this product is not considered hazardous
    according to regulatory guidelines (See section 15).

    EMERGENCY OVERVIEW: Amber Liquid. DOT ERG No. : NA

    POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS: Under normal conditions of intended use,
    this product does not pose a risk to health. Excessive exposure
    may result in eye, skin or respiratory irritation.

    For further health effects/toxicological data, see Section 11.
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    4. FIRST AID MEASURES
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    EYE CONTACT: Flush thoroughly with water. If irritation occurs, call
    a physician.
    SKIN CONTACT: Wash contact areas with soap and water. Remove and
    clean oil soaked clothing daily and wash affected area. (See
    Section 16 - Injection Injury)
    INHALATION: Not expected to be a problem. However, if respiratory
    irritation, dizziness, nausea, or unconsciousness occurs due to
    excessive vapor or mist exposure, seek immediate medical
    assistance. If breathing has stopped, assist ventilation with a
    mechanical device or mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
    INGESTION: Not expected to be a problem. Seek medical attention if
    discomfort occurs. Do not induce vomiting.
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    5. FIRE-FIGHTING MEASURES
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    EXTINGUISHING MEDIA: Carbon dioxide, foam, dry chemical and water fog.
    SPECIAL FIRE FIGHTING PROCEDURES: Water or foam may cause frothing.
    Use water to keep fire exposed containers cool. Water spray may
    be used to flush spills away from exposure. Prevent runoff from
    fire control or dilution from entering streams, sewers, or
    drinking water supply.
    SPECIAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT: For fires in enclosed areas, fire
    fighters must use self-contained breathing apparatus.
    UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS: None.
    COMBUSTION PRODUCTS: Fumes, smoke, carbon monoxide, sulfur oxides,
    aldehydes and other decomposition products, in the case of
    incomplete combustion.
    Flash Point C(F): 234(453) (ASTM D-92).
    Flammable Limits (approx.% vol.in air) - LEL: 0.9%, UEL: 7.0%
    NFPA HAZARD ID: Health: 0, Flammability: 1, Reactivity: 0
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    6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
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    NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES: Report spills/releases as required to
    appropriate authorities. U.S. Coast Guard and EPA regulations
    require immediate reporting of spills/releases that could reach
    any waterway including intermittent dry creeks. Report
    spill/release to Coast Guard National Response Center toll free
    number (800)424-8802. In case of accident or road spill notify
    CHEMTREC (800) 424-9300.
    PROCEDURES IF MATERIAL IS RELEASED OR SPILLED:
    LAND SPILL: Shut off source taking normal safety precautions. Take
    measures to minimize the effects on ground water. Recover by
    pumping or contain spilled material with sand or other suitable
    absorbent and remove mechanically into containers. If necessary,
    dispose of adsorbed residues as directed in Section 13.
    WATER SPILL: Confine the spill immediately with booms. Warn other
    ships in the vicinity. Notify port and other relevant authorities.
    Remove from the surface by skimming or with suitable absorbents. If
    permitted by regulatory authorities the use of suitable dispersants
    should be considered where recommended in local oil spill
    procedures.
    ENVIRONMENTAL PRECAUTIONS: Prevent material from entering sewers,
    water sources or low lying areas; advise the relevant authorities
    if it has, or if it contaminates soil/vegetation.
    PERSONAL PRECAUTIONS: See Section 8
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    7. HANDLING AND STORAGE
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    HANDLING: No special precautions are necessary beyond normal good
    hygiene practices. See Section 8 for additional personal
    protection advice when handling this product.
    STORAGE: Keep containers closed when not in use. Do not store in open
    or unlabelled containers. Store away from strong oxidizing
    agents and combustible materials. Do not store near heat,
    sparks, flame or strong oxidants.
    SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS: Prevent small spills and leakages to avoid slip
    hazard.
    EMPTY CONTAINER WARNING: Empty containers retain residue (liquid
    and/or vapor) and can be dangerous. DO NOT PRESSURIZE, CUT, WELD,
    BRAZE, SOLDER, DRILL, GRIND OR EXPOSE SUCH CONTAINERS TO HEAT,
    FLAME, SPARKS, STATIC ELECTRICITY, OR OTHER SOURCES OF IGNITION;
    THEY MAY EXPLODE AND CAUSE INJURY OR DEATH. Do not attempt to
    refill or clean container since residue is difficult to remove.
    Empty drums should be completely drained, properly bunged and
    promptly returned to a drum reconditioner. All containers should
    be disposed of in an environmentally safe manner and in
    accordance with governmental regulations.
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    8. EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION
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    OCCUPATIONAL EXPOSURE LIMITS:

    When mists/aerosols can occur, the following are recommended: 5 mg/m3
    (as oil mist)- ACGIH Threshold Limit Value (TLV), 10 mg/m3 (as oil mist)
    - ACGIH Short Term Exposure Limit (STEL), 5 mg/m3 (as oil mist) - OSHA
    Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL)

    VENTILATION: If mists are generated, use adequate ventilation, local
    exhaust or enclosures to control below exposure limits.
    RESPIRATORY PROTECTION: If mists are generated, and/or when
    ventilation is not adequate, wear approved respirator.
    EYE PROTECTION: If eye contact is likely, safety glasses with side
    shields or chemical type goggles should be worn.
    SKIN PROTECTION: Not normally required. When splashing or liquid
    contact can occur frequently, wear oil resistant gloves and/or
    other protective clothing. Good personal hygiene practices
    should always be followed.
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    9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
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    Typical physical properties are given below. Consult Product Data Sheet
    for specific details.

    APPEARANCE: Liquid
    COLOR: Amber
    ODOR: Mild
    ODOR THRESHOLD-ppm: NE
    pH: NA
    BOILING POINT C(F): > 316(600)
    MELTING POINT C(F): NA
    FLASH POINT C(F): 234(453) (ASTM D-92)
    FLAMMABILITY (solids): NE
    AUTO FLAMMABILITY C(F): NA
    EXPLOSIVE PROPERTIES: NA
    OXIDIZING PROPERTIES: NA
    VAPOR PRESSURE-mmHg 20 C: < 0.1
    VAPOR DENSITY: > 2.0
    EVAPORATION RATE: NE
    RELATIVE DENSITY, 15/4 C: 0.848
    SOLUBILITY IN WATER: Negligible
    PARTITION COEFFICIENT: > 3.5
    VISCOSITY AT 40 C, cSt: 56.0
    VISCOSITY AT 100 C, cSt: 10.3
    POUR POINT C(F): -54(-65)
    FREEZING POINT C(F): NE
    VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUND: NE
    DMSO EXTRACT, IP-346 (WT.%): <3, for mineral oil only
    NA=NOT APPLICABLE NE=NOT ESTABLISHED D=DECOMPOSES

    FOR FURTHER TECHNICAL INFORMATION, CONTACT YOUR MARKETING REPRESENTATIVE
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    10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
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    STABILITY (THERMAL, LIGHT, ETC.): Stable.
    CONDITIONS TO AVOID: Extreme heat and high energy sources of ignition.
    INCOMPATIBILITY (MATERIALS TO AVOID): Strong oxidizers.
    HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS: Product does not decompose at
    ambient temperatures.
    HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: Will not occur.
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    11. TOXICOLOGICAL DATA
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    ---ACUTE TOXICOLOGY---
    ORAL TOXICITY (RATS): Practically non-toxic (LD50: greater than 2000
    mg/kg). ---Based on testing of similar products and/or the
    components.
    DERMAL TOXICITY (RABBITS): Practically non-toxic (LD50: greater than
    2000 mg/kg). ---Based on testing of similar products and/or the
    components.
    INHALATION TOXICITY (RATS): Practically non-toxic (LC50: greater
    than 5 mg/l). ---Based on testing of similar products and/or the
    components.
    EYE IRRITATION (RABBITS): Practically non-irritating. (Draize score:
    greater than 6 but 15 or less). ---Based on testing of similar
    products and/or the components.
    SKIN IRRITATION (RABBITS): Practically non-irritating. (Primary
    Irritation Index: greater than 0.5 but less than 3). ---Based
    on testing of similar products and/or the components.
    OTHER ACUTE TOXICITY DATA: Although an acute inhalation study was not
    performed with this product, a variety of mineral and synthetic
    oils, such as those in this product, have been tested. These
    samples had virtually no effect other than a nonspecific
    inflammatory response in the lung to the aerosolized mineral oil.
    The presence of additives in other tested formulations (in
    approximately the same amounts as in the present formulation) did
    not alter the observed effects.

    ---SUBCHRONIC TOXICOLOGY (SUMMARY)---
    No significant adverse effects were found in studies using repeated
    dermal applications of similar formulations to the skin of
    laboratory animals for 13 weeks at doses significantly higher
    than those expected during normal industrial exposure. The
    animals were evaluated extensively for effects of exposure
    (hematology, serum chemistry, urinalysis, organ weights,
    microscopic examination of tissues etc.).

    ---REPRODUCTIVE TOXICOLOGY (SUMMARY)---
    No teratogenic effects would be expected from dermal exposure, based
    on laboratory developmental toxicity studies of major components
    in this formulation and/or materials of similar composition.

    ---CHRONIC TOXICOLOGY (SUMMARY)---
    Repeated and/or prolonged exposure may cause irritation to the skin,
    eyes or respiratory tract. Overexposure to oil mist may result
    in oil droplet deposition and/or granuloma formation. For
    mineral base oils: Base oils in this product are severely
    solvent refined and/or severely hydrotreated. Chronic mouse skin
    painting studies of severely treated oils showed no evidence of
    carcinogenic effects. These results are confirmed on a
    continuing basis using various screening methods such as Modified
    Ames Test, IP-346, and/or other analytical methods. For
    synthetic base oils: The base oils in this product have been
    tested in the Ames assay and other tests of mutagenicity with
    negative results. These base oils are not expected to be
    carcinogenic with chronic dermal exposures.

    ---SENSITIZATION (SUMMARY)---
    Not expected to be sensitizing based on tests of this product,
    components, or similar products.

    ---OTHER TOXICOLOGY DATA---
    Used gasoline engine oils have shown evidence of skin carcinogenic
    activity in laboratory tests when no effort was made to wash the
    oil off between applications. Used oil from diesel engines did
    not produce this effect.
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    12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
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    ENVIRONMENTAL FATE AND EFFECTS:

    In the absence of specific environmental data for this product, this
    assessment is based on information for representative products.

    ECOTOXICITY: Available ectoxicity data (LL50 >1000 mg/L) indicates
    that adverse effects to aquatic organisms are not expected from
    this product.

    MOBILITY: When released into the environment, adsorption to sediment
    and soil will be the predominant behavior.

    PERSISTENCE AND DEGRADABILITY: This product is expected to be
    inherently biodegradable.

    BIOACCUMULATIVE POTENTIAL: Bioaccumulation is unlikely due to the very
    low water solubility of this product, therefore bioavailability
    to aquatic organisms is minimal.

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    13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
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    WASTE DISPOSAL: Product is suitable for burning in an enclosed,
    controlled burner for fuel value. Such burning may be limited
    pursuant to the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act. In
    addition, the product is suitable for processing by an approved
    recycling facility or can be disposed of at an appropriate
    government waste disposal facility. Use of these methods is
    subject to user compliance with applicable laws and regulations
    and consideration of product characteristics at time of disposal.

    RCRA INFORMATION: The unused product, in our opinion, is not
    specifically listed by the EPA as a hazardous waste (40 CFR,
    Part 261D), nor is it formulated to contain materials which
    are listed hazardous wastes. It does not exhibit the hazardous
    characteristics of ignitability, corrosivity, or reactivity. The
    unused product is not formulated with substances covered by the
    Toxicity Characteristic Leaching Procedure (TCLP). However, used
    product may be regulated.

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    14. TRANSPORT INFORMATION
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    USA DOT: NOT REGULATED BY USA DOT.

    RID/ADR: NOT REGULATED BY RID/ADR.
    IMO: NOT REGULATED BY IMO.
    IATA: NOT REGULATED BY IATA.
    STATIC ACCUMULATOR (50 picosiemens or less): YES
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    15. REGULATORY INFORMATION
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    US OSHA HAZARD COMMUNICATION STANDARD: When used for its intended
    purposes, this product is not classified as hazardous in
    accordance with OSHA 29 CFR 1910.1200.

    EU Labeling: Product is not dangerous as defined by the European Union
    Dangerous Substances/Preparations Directives. EU labeling not
    required.

    Governmental Inventory Status: All components comply with TSCA,
    EINECS/ELINCS, METI, and DSL.

    U.S. Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act (SARA) Title III:
    This product contains no "EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES".

    SARA (311/312) REPORTABLE HAZARD CATEGORIES: None.

    This product contains no chemicals subject to the supplier notification
    requirements of SARA (313) toxic release program.

    The following product ingredients are cited on the lists below:
    CHEMICAL NAME CAS NUMBER LIST CITATIONS
    ------------- ---------- --------------
    ZINC (ELEMENTAL ANALYSIS) (0.11%) 7440-66-6 22
    PHOSPHORODITHOIC ACID, O,O-DI 68649-42-3 22
    C1-14-ALKYL ESTERS, ZINC SALTS (2:
    1) (ZDDP) (0.26%)
    ZINC DITHIOPHOSPHATE (0.72%) 68649-42-3 22

    --- REGULATORY LISTS SEARCHED ---
    1=ACGIH ALL 6=IARC 1 11=TSCA 4 16=CA P65 CARC 21=LA RTK
    2=ACGIH A1 7=IARC 2A 12=TSCA 5a2 17=CA P65 REPRO 22=MI 293
    3=ACGIH A2 8=IARC 2B 13=TSCA 5e 18=CA RTK 23=MN RTK
    4=NTP CARC 9=OSHA CARC 14=TSCA 6 19=FL RTK 24=NJ RTK
    5=NTP SUS 10=OSHA Z 15=TSCA 12b 20=IL RTK 25=PA RTK
    26=RI RTK

    Code key: CARC=Carcinogen; SUS=Suspected Carcinogen; REPRO=Reproductive

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    16. OTHER INFORMATION
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    USE: AUTOMOTIVE ENGINE OIL

    NOTE: PRODUCTS OF EXXON MOBIL CORPORATION AND ITS AFFILIATED COMPANIES
    ARE NOT FORMULATED TO CONTAIN PCBS.

    Health studies have shown that many hydrocarbons pose potential human
    health risks which may vary from person to person. Information provided
    on this MSDS reflects intended use. This product should not be used for
    other applications. In any case, the following advice should be
    considered:

    INJECTION INJURY WARNING: If product is injected into or under the skin,
    or into any part of the body, regardless of the appearance of the wound
    or its size, the individual should be evaluated immediately by a
    physician as a surgical emergency. Even though initial symptoms from
    high pressure injection may be minimal or absent, early surgical
    treatment within the first few hours may significantly reduce the
    ultimate extent of injury.

    INDUSTRIAL LABEL

    Under normal conditions of intended use, this product does not pose a
    risk to health. Excessive exposure may result in eye, skin or
    respiratory irritation. Always observe good hygiene measures. First
    Aid: Wash skin with soap and water. Flush eyes with water. If
    overcome by fumes or vapor, remove to fresh air. If ingested do not
    induce vomiting. If symptoms persist seek medical assistance. Read
    and understand the MSDS before using this product.

    For Internal Use Only: MHC: 1* 1* 1* 1* 1*, MPPEC: A, TRN: 481168-00,
    ELIS: 405672, CMCS97: 97E454, REQ: US - MARKETING, SAFE USE: L
    EHS Approval Date: 10APR2003

    Information given herein is offered in good faith as accurate, but
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    are therefore assumed by the user and WE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL
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    procedures should be provided to handlers and users. Alteration of this
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    is the most current available from an official ExxonMobil distribution
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    represent nor warrant that the format, content or product formulas
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    except the United States of America.

    Prepared by: ExxonMobil Oil Corporation
    Environmental Health and Safety Department, Clinton, USA
     
  23. 355f

    355f Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
    305
    ok, so we have seen excellent statistics about oils and the fact that its the viscosity thats important.

    I can see from the chart that brand x has diff visc to brand Y at a certain temp. And the thrust of the argument that its the oil pressure that matters most.

    My findings are this.

    Ferrari for the 355 suggest Helix Ultra 5/40 this is what im using, however just been in contact with my friend who does motorsport engines and he has had bad experiences with this oil and indeed many syththetics where there seems to be advanced cam lobe wear. same with a large porsche dealer.

    However, my Ferrari independant hate Mobil. And two posters on here who have exertise suggest castrol 10/60 RS

    So my question is this. Taking oils of the same viscosity say a 5/40 are there real world differences in the protection they offer? ( im talking all sythetics here)

    For example there are many on this forum who advocate the use of Castrol RS 10/60 which would be totally against the argument of this thread.

    Castrol do a 0/40 and I called the castrol tech line. They said' the 0 aspect of this oil in that engine would be of concern to us so use our 10/60. Marranello the UK impoter is not recommending a 0 weight

    What I would like is someone to confirm the differences not another chart,or go back to the same argument about you need x pressure at idle and x at 3K.

    If this debate about thinner oils has substance- and im not saying it does not! I just wonder why real world experiences do not favour these by individuals who are working with engines of all types on a day to say basis.

    I understand, each oil has an appropriate application- this being so all the individuals I have referred to are wrong and they should be using a 0 weight oil as all these engines still maintain the pressures required using a lower weight oil and they are not operating in extreme environments.

    The Enzo runs on 10/60 shell. why not 0/30??
     
  24. FL 355

    FL 355 Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2002
    1,665
    Ft Laud
    Full Name:
    Frank Lipinski
    Last week I was talking with Tim Stanford, a well know and respected independent down here in FL. I was surprised when he told me that, after being an advocate of Mobile 1 for many many years, now uses only Helix..

    His logic was based on the critical clearance of the hydralic lifters. I remember a smiliar thread on the "old" F-Chat board...

    AEHass - Great Post.
     

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