A friend has started looking for a Mondial 8 coupe. There are 2 that caught his eye: http://www.interstatemotorsport.com/detail.cfm?ID=47686 and http://www.forza.weblobby.com/photo3.htm (the white one halfway down the page) Thoughts on either?
While I am not a Mondial expert, here are a couple of Mondial specific things that jump out at me: The white car has had the fusebox upgrade - a very good thing. Clutch recently changed at about the average miles - good. Seems straight, has been driven a bit. Average engine bay; Upgraded steering wheel. Great price @$22K if checks out. Yellow car - has the black side strakes which did come from the factory on the early cars, but do not think that the funky black hood grill did. Says recent major - would check belt replacement (both cars). Clean carfax. Nice colors besides the black out. This car's price ($26K), while reflecting a lot of invested money, is quite near QV money, which does make a noticible power (and re-sale) impact. Other than that, the usual 308 GTBi things apply (service, belts, etc.) and would get a PPI. hope this helps getting started.
I'm not a Mondial expert either, but love them. I agree with snj5's comments. The fusebox upgrade is a big deal. The fuseboxes on these things really suck. For the kind of money they want for both of these, they should need nothing, NADA, not a damned thing, because even the $22K one is at the top end of what 8's are worth. $26K is well into "excellent" QV territory and if I were going to spend that much on a Mondial, I would be looking for a similar condition QV, not an 8. Personally, neither one does much for me in the color department, though the yellow one is certainly a little different and spunky. I have never been a fan of white Ferraris. Birdman
Thanks for the comments. So, what should the price for a Mondial 8 coupe be? I haven't seen many for sale, and most are in the low 20s. Are we looking at $15K for a driver? Less? Any leads?
Both of these are top money for a Mondial 8 as Russ and Birdman mentioned. Also as Erik stated my 2 Mondial purchases are in the same thread in Rosso. Im biased driving a 3.2 now, but i wouldnt even consider the 8 model unless i stole a mint one in the mid teens that was the right color for me.
What most people miss with the Mondial is: 'What are you going to use it for?" While a little power is always good, the strength of the Mondial is it's Grand Tourismo usability and balance. My analogy here is a Porsche 356, a car which I also adore. While not a blazing straight line performer, the balance, driving experience, build quality and over all class are timeless. The Mondial is much the same. Having had the good fortune to drive the Mondial on the back roads of Europe, the Grand Tourismo capability and balance are what Ferrari had in mind. It is just brilliant. I took many family trips with baby Robin in the back cruising at 120 on the Autobahn, and rowing the engine with the gearshift through the stunning German forest B-roads as the engine sang in harmony with the Andrea Bocelli tape. Read some European reviews of the 8 when it first came out - this was NOT lost on them and they raved about the 8. The Mondial in all of it's guises is really a VERY European car. Georg Karcher, C&D Euro correspondant living in Europe, was quoted in a contemporary Mondial road test saying the Mondial 3.2 was then the best Ferrari built. While a little power with the qv would be a good buy in the mid - high twenties, a good Mondial 8 in the high teens/low 20s to me represents a HECK of a lot of car and driving experience for the money. It is a terrific hand built GT. So, if your friend is after a definitive Grand Tourismo experience which is about class and balance - the Mondial 8 is exceptional in it's price range for what it is. The QV even more so. I am very biased toward a 3.2 being the definitive and best version (even more than the t which I chose the 3.2 over, which the t is also a terrific GT car), but that's just me. Best wishes, and good luck to your friend rt Mondial Insurgent Image Unavailable, Please Login
I can't say much about the Mondial but wanted to chime in that I purchased my '85 308 from Interstate Motorsports (they are the seller of the yellow Mondial you listed) in March of last year... They were a nice bunch of guys and I would definately buy from them again if I was in the market. Scott
Lets hear for Russ, best comments Ii have ever heard about a Mondial. he is quite correct, know what you what it for, if you are after a touring car with good balance, space pace etc. as Russ said, it is superb, I did a fair amount of touring around in mine last year and now really appreciate it's qualities. It is a long way from being a "fast" car but the joy of driving distances in comfort is a joy !
Looks like Russ has said it all. His analogy with the 356 is spot on - I loved my '63 356B 1600S coupe & I think the world of my '89 Mondial t coupe. The only downfall in Mondial ownership that I can find is the lack of knowledge from some Ferrari owners about the positive attributes of the full Mondial lineup. The stigma of "Mondial" seems hard to overcome - until they see my car - or I give them a ride. Anyhow... Theses two Mondials look super. I am comfortable with the price set for both, but agree that they are at the top of the price bracket for the vintage. I think the thoughts of finding examples in the mid to high teens are correct, but the cars you find in the teens may not be as well represented as these two. There is something to be said for "buying with confidence." It may make it worth the premium.
There is starting to be a stronger group of cheerleaders for the Mondials. Russ, Sam, Tom, etc... While I don't want to "change somebody's mind", we can provide them with the facts and let them know how much they are missing out. I've got my work cut out for me. I'm also the cheerleader for the 365/400/412 cars...
As I said before, the Mondial is THE bargain of the Ferrari world. To those who think it is ugly, to each his own. I just don't get that. I think it is tasteful yet still exotic. As far as "slow"...maybe it is, but it FEELS fast. I enjoy driving my Mondial WAY more than a c5 Corvette, that of course outperforms it 10x over. It is the total experience. Now, as to price, you get a Mondial 8 (vs. any other Mondial model) if it is: 1) A very nice driver for low to mid teens, OR 2) Need NOTHING (I mean fresh major, no stories, everything works) for high teens to low 20's. The Mondial 8 is a good value if the price is low and it is sorted out. If your budget allows you to advance to a QV or, better yet, a 3.2 for about 5-15k more for one in good condition, then do it. In summary, get the best car you can afford, regardless of model. It costs less to let the last owner sort it out. Thus a $20,000 perfect Mondial 8 is a better buy than a $18,000 qv that needs work.
I don't believe I would be disappointed to own any Ferrari. Always had an affinity for Late 60's early 70's American muscle cars. That now extends to Ferrari's.
As a "Mondial" owner, I just wouldn't go for a "8" ; which for my opinion does not worth the weak price difference with a Quatrovalvole which is more decent in terms of HP, handling, reliability, or even jump to 3.2 version which is for sure a great car and engine. I think the price difference between a "8" and a 3.2 really worth the investment. Try to go at least for the QV with 240HP, just my own point of view.. Good luck anyway, a Mondial is still a great car, and definitly deserve its prancing horse on it.
While that white Mondial 8 looks like a nice car, I'd just like to say that the owner of Forza up in Gaylordsville is a really nice guy. He let me wander throughout his small warehouse when I scheduled a visit there almost 8 or 9 years ago. They don't have a regular showroom, nor do they do a ton of volume. Although I have not done business with them, I am planning on it at some point in the near future. The people up there are very nice and seem more interested in selling decent cars than turning junk out for a quick buck. -TJO
Here is the carfax on the first. I will run the other and post it. Jon Total Loss Check: GOOD NEWS! No severe damage events were ever reported by a DMV for this 1982 FERRARI MONDIAL8 (ZFFAD08A9C0038435). If you find that any of the following severe problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. You must register to activate this free guarantee! Salvage Title Loss Due To Fire Title Junk Title Flood Damage Title Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Hail Damage Title Dismantled Title Canadian Total Loss Other Accident Indicators: This 1982 FERRARI MONDIAL8 (ZFFAD08A9C0038435) had no accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended. 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For example, major accidents resulting in Salvage or Junk titles that may void the original manufacturer warranty or ownership transfers that may decrease warranty coverage. This warranty information is only valid for vehicles manufactured for sale in the US. Complete warranty coverage information is available for this vehicle at the FERRARI web site. Register FREE Guarantee | CARFAX Help Center CARFAX searched more than 3 billion records from over 5,300 sources and found 13 record(s) for this 1982 FERRARI MONDIAL8 (ZFFAD08A9C0038435). Date: Mileage Reading: Source: General Comments: 08/16/1989 Massachusetts Motor Vehicle Dept. Lynbrook, NY Title #AE553343 Title or registration issued Loan or lien reported 06/24/1997 35,193 Massachusetts Motor Vehicle Dept. Amherst, MA Title #AQ353826 Title or registration issued Loan or lien reported 06/24/1997 Massachusetts Motor Vehicle Dept. 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This yellow 82 i almost bought. It was advertised as fully restored, back in 2002. It had new paint, but was previously red before. Otherwise it was very needy. I got the dealer down to $16,500 but later passed as there was an issue with the DMV computers that day, and my gotta have it subsided. Later it was on Ebay and sold for 21k from the same dealer. Ran into the guy who bought it, and from time to time we talked regarding the issues he had with it. Good news for a new buyer he spent upwards of 24k on deferred maintance, etc. The 30k was done, new leather interior, new spoiler and grill (hit a fox) Think the a/c and muffler were replaced too. Plus much more All the work was done at Miller in Greenwich. This car is a classic example why you must get a PPI done! I believe in the end he sold it in 2003 for 24k after putting in close to 50k! including purchase price. Ouch that had to hurt.
Tillman, a red '82 just listed in Ohio: http://www.mershons.com/view_photo.asp?ID=9276&image=Exterior
I realize this isn't for everyone, but sometimes I think about getting an 8 for <15, doing the belts and retrofitting carbs for about $5-6K, and getting qv power and carb simplicity for $20K. So easy to do. best rt
Thanks Dean. 30K is too much to pay for any Mondial 8, but I truly appreciate the link. I'll pass it along. Russ, you're a trip Dave, thanks for the info on the yellow car
