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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    Oh I see. Eurofighter and Typhoon also have delta and canard wings. Similar to Viggen.
     
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  2. DeSoto

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    I think your knowledge about planes is a bit outdated.

    That configuration has been around since the 70s or so: the Saab Viggen and Grippen, the israeli Kfir, the French Raffale, the Chinese J-20, some Russian prototypes and I suppose I´m forgetting others.
     
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  3. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

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    Yes, but the Viggens canards are further back...behind the pilot.

    The typhoons canards are closer to the pilot's cockpit
     
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    It is true .
    The reality is that we are so disappointed that we come to discuss this.
     
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    Watching Ferrari try to use a paint job as camouflage for a pathetic piece of engineering reminds me of the book "Final Cut" about the decline and fall of United Artists during the making of the movie "Heaven's Gate." I'll bet the drivers wear full face masks in public to disguise who they are out of embarrassment.
     
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  6. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    Very possible. My Airforce days are long over.
     
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  7. Nortonious

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    Doesn't Eurofighter = Typhoon ?

    (except I think the Luftwaffe didn't like the Typhoon name)
     
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    Yes it is correct. "Typhoon"

    https://www.eurofighter.com/customers
     
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  10. DeSoto

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    The only plane that the Eurofighter consortium builds is the Typhoon, so essentially yes, it´s the same thing. I don´t know if they plan to keep the consortium to build more stuff in the future or it´s only for this one. They haven´t sold it very well though.

    Oh, well, end of OT.
     
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  11. Nortonious

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    Semi on Topic:

    Perhaps the Frecce Tricolori will do something special as well.

    Maybe a second pass with all Red Smoke.

    I always liked this F-16 commemorative paint scheme:

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    Why? There is nothing wrong with an Antonov. :p
     
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    That's a lot of red paint!!

    I think that squadron retired those older F-16A models for Eurofighters. Maybe they'll do one up in special colors for this weekend (I've seen them with a Cavallino Rampante, but not in red).
     
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    If russian send an TU-95 and with the right trajectory, they can salute Aviano NATO base before go to Mugello. I'm sure italian would love the visit...
     
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    Appropriate colour scheme for the SF1000 as it has about the same performance as the 125s
     
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    What is irrational about it. Spending all those man hours in a PR stunt when the car is in desperate need of improvement. Nothing to do with finances and possibly a PR disaster in the making.

    Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.

    Winston Churchill
     
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  21. DeSoto

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    OK, then I´m criticising your criticism.

    In the first place, the guys who paint the car are not the same ones that design the car. So don´t worry about that, the development won´t stop.

    And second: I often see that F1 fans criticize the ammount of time and money that teams spend in PR stuff: social media, the hospitality and so on. It´s not wasted money, it´s an investment, just like the investments they do in the car. Hospitalities, social media and liveries bring sponsors, sponsors bring money and the money ends up in the car.
     
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    It would be interesting to know in which proportion.

    It's not uncommon for sponsors to insist on expenses like liveries, team uniforms, hospitality and PR, to promote themselves.

    Those costs often have to be deducted from the budget allocated to the team.

    That's how the sponsors can justify their involvement to their shareholders.

    So, if a team gets a $10M sponsorship, it may in fact only have $5M to spend on the car.
     
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  23. DeSoto

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    Teams have people to deal with the sponsors about those issues.

    For some it looks like the PR staff are leeches who get a paycheck just for designing a few stickers and having a beer twith the guests while the engineers do all the work.
     
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    Are the livery changes, paint or a wrap?
     
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