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  1. Stephen C

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    #1 Stephen C, Nov 14, 2015
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    Hi Folks, I have recently purchased a 94 348 Spider. I am really enjoying the car and am getting to know it. I have been lurking here for a while while I learn my way around the car.

    I have been working around the dash and pulled the passenger side air vent right under the base of the A pillar and have found a dangling wire. It is a thin black single wire that comes out of a gap along the top edge of the firewall and hangs down about 4 inches. It has a white connector on the end that contains a female spade connector that is about 1/8 - 3/16 inches wide. A picture of the mystery wire is attached.

    I initially assumed it was the factory wire powering the tweeter (the tweeter seems to be wired aftermarket) but the wiring diagram colour code suggest this is not the case. Does anyone have any idea what this wire is for and what/where it plugs in?

    Thanks for your help.

    PS - I am located in Calgary Alberta and am a bit of a car nut. I have a 63 Jaguar E Type Coupe and a 75 Triumph TR6 (Supercharged) that shares the garage with the 348.

    Cheers
    Steve
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  2. ///Mike

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    A mystery wire in a 348??? There's a first. ;) ;) ;)

    I have the vents removed from my car. I'll try to remember to look tonight. That wire does look to be factory original.
     
  3. Miltonian

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    Antenna amplifier power. There's a good picture in an old thread from 2007.

    Not sure if the Spider used the antenna amplifier, but the car may be prewired for it.
     
  4. dapper

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    Looks like we can just see the edge of your antenna amplifier above the connector you are holding in your picture
     
  5. PAP 348

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    Congrats Steve!! Any pics of the Spider? :)
     
  6. Stephen C

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    #7 Stephen C, Nov 15, 2015
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    Thanks for all of the help and suggestions however the Antenna Amplifier already has a black wire connected to it and I don't see any other location where the mystery wire might connect to it.

    One thing I did notice when I took the car out yesterday is that I have lost my right turn signals....I have not had a chance to look for burnt out bulbs but this seems very coincidental. is it possible that this wire is part of the turn signal circuit.

    I also wondered if it was part of the glove box light circuit but the wire is not long enough to reach those components.

    Soooo....any other thoughts?

    And Pap, thanks for the congratulations. Oddly I don't have many pictures, I have been too busy having fun driving. Attached are a couple of photos I took when I picked up the car from storage. I have also thrown in a picture of the Jag...just for some variety.

    Cheers
    Steve
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  7. Marius

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    Beautiful Jag, congratulations, especially the license plate...
     
  8. PAP 348

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    Ferrari and Jag look awesome mate, thanks for sharing those pics.

    A friend owns a very nice 64 E-type. It's a 2 seater, 6 cylinder with 40,000 original miles on it.

    It's in excellent condition and he absolutely loves it. Has owned it for over 30 years now.
     
  9. ///Mike

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    Steve, I don't see a wire like that one in my '91 TS. Where does it come from? Does it enter through the body hole under and to the right of the tweeter? I have a plastic jacketed loom coming through that hole, but no loose wires. If you can post a better pic or tell me specifically where the Mystery Wire comes from I'll look again, just to make certain.

    Great E Type, BTW! :)
     
  10. Stephen C

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    #11 Stephen C, Nov 17, 2015
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    Gents, thanks for the E Type kudos...a slightly amusing story.

    I bought the car from a guy that lived on the west coast of Canada in late November about 8 years ago. After concluding negotiations over the phone based on emailed photo's, I flew out with my tool kit for a final inspection and to close the deal. The PO picked me up on a glorious morning (you have to appreciate the difference between late November in the Prairies (desiccated brown landscape - uck) and the area just east of Vancouver (lush rain forest - sigh)) with the Jag freshly washed and absolutely glistening. As he pulled up I knew I was buying the car, but went though a thorough vetting. I then agreed to close the deal, paid him and jumped in the car at about 2pm to drive home. As I pulled away, I realized that I had not actually driven the car yet.

    The drive home is about a 10 hour trip through the Rockies including the high mountain passes of the Coquilhalla highway that gets a huge snow pack (if you watch Highway to Hell on Discovery, you will know what I mean)...remember this is late November so it is dark by 4pm. It also happened to be Grey Cup Sunday...Canada's equivalent of the Super Bowl. Bottom line I was in an unfamiliar 45 year old car and there was hardly anyone on the road...but... there was a high pressure system over western Canada so no snow.

    I tested the car on the long climbs up through the passes and it pulled like a train...quite turbine like. The only vehicle i saw on the Coquilhalla was a 1 ton diesel monster truck that initially blew by me in a cloud of black smoke while I looked out the side of the car at the hubs of his wheels. The cowboy in the passenger seat looked down at me with a bit of a snear. I gave him about a half mile then stepped on it. He was a spec in the rear view mirror a couple of minutes late. Them cowboys don't like that kind of treatment.

    It was a great drive home through the Rockies with a clear night and the stars out in full force and a great memory.

    Now...back to F car business....attached is a picture that shows more detail of the black mystery wire. It comes out of the fire wall at the same location as the another black wire that is connected to the antenna amplifier. The mystery wire slightly obscures the view of the other black wire connection to the amplifier in the photo.
    so....any thoughts as to where the mystery wire connects?

    And as a reminder, my right turn signals have stopped working ...coincidental with the removal of the vent passenger side air vent which is what caused me to see the dangling mystery wire disconnected so I wonder if the removal of the vent is what caused the disconnection of the mystery wire and if the mystery wire is part of the turn signal circuit. Note I have checked all of the turn signal bulbs and they are good.

    Any thoughts greatly appreciated....'cause the next step is to start pulling the dash apart.....which I really don't want to do.

    Cheers
    Steve
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  11. ///Mike

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    Steve, that's an awesome car story! I love stuff like that-- those are surely the most memorable journeys. Woulda loved to have been on that trip-- a beautiful car, great scenery, and POing cowboys. :)

    You clearly have the bug, as you own a couple of very passionate sports cars.

    Thanks for posting the better pic. I'll take a look at my car in a little bit and let you know what I find, but I'm pretty sure my '91 does not have such a wire and my turn signals work fine (unlike the speedometer... for now).

    TBH, I suspect that the removal of the dash vent is coincidental with the turn signals stopping working. If it were me, I'd spend a lot of time investigating other possibilities before worrying much more about the Mystery Wire.
     
  12. ///Mike

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    Just checked my '91 using your most recent pic as a reference. There are *no* wires coming through the firewall in that area. Sorry.
     
  13. Stephen C

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    Thanks Mike....I will go back to sleuthing andcareful review of h wiring diagrams.

    Cheers
    Steve
     
  14. ///Mike

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    Wish I coulda shed some light but I do think the fact that my car does not have those wires is an indication that they don't have anything to do with the turn signals.

    BTW, is your windshield original or has it been swapped out? I'm wondering if maybe that wire is supposed to go to the windshield antenna itself.
     
  15. Stephen C

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    Hmmmm...now that is a good question given the proximity of the wires. I dont know and dont have records form prior owners. The windshield looks perfect which is a bit unusual around here as gravel is used here during slippery conditions....so most windshields have some "bullet holes" in them from flying gravel.

    I will just focus on getting the turn signal working and not fuss the mystery wire too much.

    Cheers
    Steve
     
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    What happens when you turn on the emergency flashers? Do all of the turn signal bulbs work then, or are the right side ones still out?
     
  17. Stephen C

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    Now that is a very excellent question.....the amber lights on all four corners work. More thinking for the wiring diagram....perhaps the turn indicator switch?
     
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    the sexiest car ever made........makes me wet everytime i see one......and oh yeah the Jag ain't too bad either......
    lol kidding mate......love the E-Type almost as much as i love the 348......just don't own one yet!......congratz in owning 'em two of the finest cars out there, in my humble book of course!..... (put in a Cooper S Mark I and a 190SL and life's done and settled!!!)
     

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