Official 250 GT SWB pictures thread

Does someone heard about this passo corto ?



It's noticed 1999GT, which should have been destroyed at Le Mans 1960. Barchetta said a new car was built in 1978 with the same number. But different color obviously…

It participated at Goodwood Revival 2021, with David Hart and Nicky Pastorelli on the wheel.

 

Seems it is REPLICA TIME AGAIN!
In 1978/1979 Carrozzeria Fantuzzi in Modena created two replicas both using 1999 GT.........
Chassis stamping out of a 250 GTE 2+2, engine out of 250 GTE 2+2 #4793 GT and a fake chassis tag.........note incorrect fonts...........
Tragically Italian classic car magazine "Ruoteclassiche" fell victim to claims that the car is the real 1999 GT and published a story in their December 2021 issue...........the real and genuine 1999 GT was destroyed in a Le Mans practice accident June 1960. See also pic on page 51 of Dominique Pascal's book "Ferraris at Le Mans".

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I understand that his is nit original but did many (any) SWB’s have side exhaust like this car? The rear exhaust is so much cleaner to me.

 

Was that the car driven by Fritz d'Orey?

 

The real #1999GT - Le Mans 1960 (Le Maine Libre newspaper).

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Parts thereof.

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1999 GT a little earlier.
Le Mans scrutineering June 1960.

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Yep, that looks like Fritz alright....

 

Hello all,

I'm wondering if anyone following this thread would happen to have images of interiors and trunks of examples which can be described as either "unrestored" or "in period". While we do have a great deal of archived information on hand, we're always learning and drilling into areas which we can improve relative overall authenticity.

I would be eternally grateful for images focused on the "Lusso" or street versions. The comp. cars are pretty straight forward.

Thank you so much and happy scrolling!!

 

Curious, in seeing this picture of two famous 250 SWB's, the grills seem different. Was either rebodied, repaired and if so, which one is 'correct'? It seems there is a lot of comments when a car is restored on how the grill on these in particular is wrong. Are both of these correct? What if one looked like either today. Still correct?

Perry

 

The SWB in the background had already been slightly damaged, giving this curious shape of the grill...

 

Besides all that, ALL of these cars were absolutely handbuilt, not by robots etc. Which means that no two are identical, including the grille, etc.
As said so many times before, do not apply modern standards and today's expectations to sixty year old hand built racing Ferraris.

Marcel Massini

 

... and IMO, same (or similar) could be said of +/-50 year old (hand built) production Ferraris.

 

To further what has been said, the issue with restoration is that many times people restore these cars without proper research. Since restorers are remaking bodies in an age where there are plenty of photographs of cars in question for analysis, or reasonably similar examples, it's a bit less forgivable when they are done wrong.

 

Absolutely! And that is why I always say please do the research first and get as many photos as possible, before you even start to unscrew and dismantle a car. So extremely important.

Marcel Massini

 

Hello Perry.

The front grille of 250 SWB is my favorite topic !

They are some times very different.

The main «official» difference is between the first serie in 1960 and the last in 1961-62.

The best image I found to show that is with 2... scale models !


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I think the first serie was always the same the same, because Scaglietti made his wood master and was able to reproduce it indefinitely. Like these...


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But you can see very little differences in the shape.

But with accidents and repairs, the coach builders had not the skills and master of Scaglietti. And you start to see very «artistic» examples !

Some are nice, like 2165 GT (dark blue), others are ugly, like 2787GT (French blue) which have been badly repaired after an accident.

I'm pretty sure this job is a nightmare for a coach builder, because there is no flat references with this part, only curves.




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The front of 2165 GT has been repaired.

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1773 GT after repairs.

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To finish on this topic, a front grille you will often see is the one of 2129GT… Because it was also wrongly repaired. The problem - and a lot of Fchatters are sensitive about it - is that this grille served of reference to GTO Engineering for the SWB Revival ! All the replicas have the same grille. I read somewhere that they finally want to modify it and take a better one to copy...
If I was the owner of 2129GT, I would go immediately to a famous Italian coach builder, like Bachelli&Villa, and ask for the most authentic shape !


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1807 GT in 1987, after repairs.

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I don't know what do you think of 2165GT's look, but for me, it's the nicest «non original» front grille

 

And specifically for the front grille, I'm terribly disappointed of the 1953GT's renovation… It's way too high.


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You mean BRANDOLI, not Bachelli & Villa. This because it was Egidio Brandoli, the man himself, who in the early 1960s sculpted these SWB Berlinettas with his own hands and eyes as a key employee at Carrozzeria Scaglietti. And Egidio Brandoli and his son Roberto Brandoli are still around, they own all the old body bucks and have the skills to build correct fronts.

Marcel Massini

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