Official Countach Value Thread

There is no such thing as a perfect match.
Blending a paint job at its Core is a LIE its all about fooling the human eye.

 

Joe, what State is the silver car in now? Chassis #?

 

You just asked a couple posts ago about the chassis number and I responded.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141232452&postcount=267

But I'm happy to oblige again! 12670. The car now lives in Missouri, and its the only Lamborghini in an Italian car collection of mostly Ferraris (& some other things). Hope that helps.

 

Sorry, long couple of weeks, and I've been discussing the car over on L talk so I couldn't seem to keep it straight. Thanks a bunch.

 

Yes, and they even paid a 7k premium compared to the rate just a few months ago.

 

I agree the documentation of the tweeks is NOT of great value. As I stated early on when this car first came up..I would be SUPRISED if the claims of these tweaks...even the installation of the "S" by the factory were acruate. I have just way to many of these "tweeks" claims for so called "special customers" and NONE to my knowledge has ever been documented, (less likes of the Wolfe car etc). I have been told numerous times by several people employeed during the era at the Factory that this was a "Myth" of tweaks for the cars. Yes, some got a little more "special" attention and "tweaked" "tuned" to the top, but still maintained same basic engine parts as all toher cars etc etc.

Would I would believe as that some cars, as all machined items, were better then others, better test drive, fynos, broke n just right, was a good day at the build factory etc etc..and these may have been claimed to be the "special tweaked" cars.

Even today, with as many Diablo's that come through my hands..there are some that I get done test driving and I come away saying "wow, that was built on a good day"..but they all had the same equipment.

 

if there are documents attesting the car recieve special attentiot "AT" factory when built
they are valuable IMO

a special car or one off are very important
as or even more than the last built or special color (imo)

 

I think the tweaks are a big deal with a record (?) QV fuelie sale. Just think, if this is a special "S" model with factory modifications, then we have another variant! That would be a significant $$$ difference over a QV.

 

Tough to sell a car stating it has "tweaks" and not be able to show legitimate documentation to support it. Of course it is important!

 

Germany? Chicago? WTF is it?

Anyway, whats REALLY important is factory documentation that it is the LAST pre-Annivesario car, or this sale at this number is over.

As I said before, the 2 important things are:

- Miura Blu one-off color
- Last of a Series car

The factory would often tell the car's first owner about tuning upgrades but they were "unofficial" (for liability reasons?) and that information was given to the first owner and not presented on the car's sales paperwork. Ive seen 4-5 instances of this with Wolf, Robinson etc were serious tuning was done, but was not on the paperwork.

 

Quite a few Countachs were tuned by the works. As in the case of 1120056, its easy to be skeptical and cast doubt. But in fact it happened. Digging up written confirmation from the factory and from Dallara made this car invaluable to the person who bought it.

Also, there are some ex-factory people who say it didn't happen (they did so with this car) either because they were not party to it or they think they will be asked to help procure said docs.

I can tell you 1120056 was A CANNON! I have owned four (4) LP400 and this one just flew, you could tell it was a hot motor. Not night-and-day, but enough to make it exciting A very special car indeed

http://joesackey.com/galleria/motore-potenziato-1120056/motore-potenziato-1120056-history/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joesackeyclassics/sets/72157623019563478/
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If it helps with today's REAL values. I was offered 160k USA
Funds for my S2 today, as is, knowing it will need a clutch soon
????? I said no, sorry.

 

Joe, to shed some light on the confusion, the individual that I know with a bid on the car
is German but lives in the Chicago area. This may have led to some thinking it was going to Germany. Of course, there might also be a Germany resident interested, I can't say, but as far as I am aware, my acquaintance currently has the highest bid. He is indeed very interested in the "S" factor and we spoke about it at great length... I explained that until the engine gets opened up there is no way to know... and even then..??? BUT it's not impossible.. odd color, special interior, and i have a letter from the factory stating it as the last one so they were well aware of it ending a series, so they may have taken the time with the motor. I agree that it is the least interesting aspect to ME... but i'm not trying to buy it.

 

Ken,
your point clears up something that thas been muddy for a while and also in my mind:
The car was said by some:
1) the last injected QV (meaning DD cars were made after)
2) the last USA car (meaning some other QV went to other countries later and the value of "last" is meaningless)
3) the last QV made at the factory, period. (meaning no other QV , DD or injected were made)

You are saying that you have proof of the fact it is the 3rd case? Greatful for this info. This is important to know.
I agree with Joe that the fact that it is the very last is most of the premium. I disagree about the color value thou. For me, I take it down 10K for the color. I am just not into it but that is purely taste.

On a side remark about values, there are 2 very nice Anniv on Ebay at prices that hint to very reasonable sales value if the claims on both cars are verified (i have not looked into any of their history). We are talking about potential sales around 100K-115K here for low miles, clean, serviced cars.
The more I look at this and the more I think the 89 anniv injected is the very best valued Countach for someone in the USA who want to keep it to drive a lot. All these cars are coming on the market almost like brand new.
For a euro buyer these US cars is an absolute value. You are talking about ~ 70K Euro for a mint countach!!

PS: German buyer means certainly car will end in Germany at some point. mine will probably end up in France with me. ( sorry guys , one less in the US)

 

I would agree CountachQV. The color is unique, and I love it on a Boss Mustang. I wouldn't pay a nickel more for it on a Countach. Silver or white, I would. The "S" designation and all of the modifications would matter to me, a great deal. Especially for a 189K. I think it matters to most others (it's a big claim, and would be super cool to me if true), even if no one will come forward and say it. The buyer is being wise to insist on proof.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Well, note that the USA has a unique spec unto itself (for better or worse) so there is some value in knowing FOR SURE that this is the last unit produced by the works, if indeed that is the case.

Understandably, this may have no bearing upon a European, or someone not resident here.

 

Again, fair enough, but it is a known formula that Countachs outside of the typical red/black/white standard color livery GENERALLY bring more money. Why? Because the Countach is the height of exotic Supercar uniqueness so anything factory produced that separates itself from the norm will solicit more value from most buyers (not all of course).

 

Joe, that is interesting. I heard some years ago from Evans that most owner go for red CTs and that anything of the beaten path was not so hot. He told me that because at the time I was looking for a dark blue or black car and was considering repainting. He convinced me to keep it red and of the original color.

Patrick

 

The correct color code is called "Resale Red". LOL

 

Joe

What year is the letter from Lambo written? The thing that strikes me the most is the difference in attitude the factory has about their used and vintage vehicles. Today if you sent them that exact same letter for that car, they wouldn't even respond to you. I suspect that even if you sent them the exact same letter for a car that is the same age as that Countach was when the original letter was written and responded to, you'd also get probably no response.

It's a very sad state of affairs when Ferrari, Mercedes, Rolls Royce, and other major brands have dedicated vintage departments which are reasonably helpful (Ferrari) to extremely helpful (Mercedes) while Lambo has maybe ONE person who is so busy that most of the time you don't even get a response. Trust me, I've tried and have given up getting information on my vintage Lambo.

OK, I'm done now. Back to our regularly scheduled programing.