Official Countach Value Thread

Thank you, but I've actually Advertised in Cavallino for years

 

he payed for a dd,his choice, he is bullshitted by you,

 

Wow, that is so special.

 

You can't answer a simple question

No worries, all is good.

The main thing is, John's detailed numbers inspired a revisit to this thread, so I think we'll make an effort from now on to update it regularly

 

I think i answered it very well, pretty shure our fellow chatters get it. The duude wired 600k for carbs,his choice ,his money. Lol. you ship carbs, done.

 

Then again, beeing the used carsalesman you, who knows what he will get.

 

You make my point beautifully!

The point being, you should not con people (or yourself) into thinking that the Fuelie and the Downdraft are nearly the same

Don't worry, I love my job

 

Oh, i am not worried,i know you do.

 

It seems that there is a difference in prices for a QV DD between the USA and Switzerland. The prices in Switzerland are lower, this DD for example has been for sale since a couple of months:

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/lamborghini-countach-coupe-1986-occasion?index=0&make=43&model=654&sort=price_asc&st=1&vehid=5332719&vehtyp=10&returnurl=%2fde%2fautos%2flamborghini--countach%3fmake%3d43%26model%3d654%26sort%3dprice_asc%26st%3d1%26vehtyp%3d10%26r%3d5

Asking price is USD 500'000 and taking into account that you always get a discount the price would def. be sub USD 500'000.

About three months ago an LP 400 S low body (not an S1) was sold for USD 330'000. The car was in a good condition and had a really good history, however the mileage was at >70'000 km.

A few words to the DD and FI discussion: We clearly see a difference as well between the two versions in Switzerland. A DD trades at least 50% higher than a similar FI.

 

Exactly, and there is a reason for the market spread.

In this recent example, Gosford just sold FLA12840 with 69k kms and in need of some TLC https://gosfordclassiccarmuseum.com.au/surplus-car/lamborghini-countach-5000-qv/ for @ 2 x the value of a similarly-conditioned Fuelie.

 

Stay on topic without insults or don't comment. Absolutely not necessary.

 

I never argued the value difference,the market decides. My point is the huge misrepresentation to the uninformed, but then again,why am i even mentioning this,once the buying public realises the truth, there will be no more affordable qv s to be had, wich sucks,for the enthusiast who is saving up to finally buy a Countach. All 48 valves and 4 camshafts of Italian hand made history, a beautiful thing,

 

Hopefully not the bogged down,slow Exhaust restricted Swiss version dd, Crappy exhast,and carbs, not a good combo,add some altitude to that, does it even get over the Brenaro pass? Could always innstall a mecanical adjustement knob,similar to a cessna,to lean it out from the cockpit.

 

Hi All,

So it has been about a year or so since I think I last updated the below numbers. In that time we have sold about 8-10 Countach examples and I have inspected another 5-6 cars for clients.

These numbers are based SOLELY on my opinion and are supported by Supply vs. Demand.

• 1976-1977 Lamborghini Countach Periscope Cars – $800,000-1,500,000.00

( I think Periscope cars have leveled off. I recently inspected arguably the nicest Periscope I have ever seen, all original, under 5,000 miles which exchanged hands at the high estimate. This was a "unicorn" car and absolutely worth every penny.)

• 1986-1988 Lamborghini Countach FIA Downdraft Cars – $600,000.00-850,000.00

Regardless of the on-going debate I have never seen such a strong demand for these cars. Ferrari collectors, Supercar collectors all ask us for "Downdraft" examples. We recently sold;

• GLA12886 - Red on Tan - 13,000 miles - for just under $500,000.
• FLA12804 - Red on Black - 5,500 miles - just under $550,000. (we did turn down an offer of $590,000 when we first purchased the car)
• HLA12050 - White on White - 3,500 miles - just under $700,000.

I think these prices will continue to rise for well sorted cars. I cannot imagine the price a sub-1,000 mile Survivor car would command...

• 1978-1981 Lamborghini Countach “Low Body” Cars – $400,000.00-900,000.00

My gut tells me these Low Body cars will eventually meet Periscope pricing...

• 1982-1985 Lamborghini Countach 5000S – $350,000.00-550,000.00

The 1984 Black on Black 2,000 mile car we sold in January is great example supporting this estimated number.

As some of you know, my family owns a 446 km 5000S car we would never sell for any amount. So I am partially biased to this category.

• 1986-1988.5 Lamborghini Countach QV USA Spec – $280,000.00 – 400,000.00

I actually do not believe you will see Fuel Injected cars sell "cheap" ever again. I feel they are more desirable than 25th Anniversary cars and we have seen two of the VERY best examples in the USA trade between $450,000-560,000. Yes! I actually would increase my high estimate by $50,000. Sub 1,000 mile White or Blue or Black cars could definitely command a big premium. Ironically, I have recently heard collectors/buyers ask for "Round" body cars. This is a new term, referring to non-side skirt cars.

• 1989 Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary – $250,000.00-$380,000.00

I have no knowledge of European spec Anniversary transactions but I would have to stick to my estimates considering the 579 Original Mile car we recently sold.

I am a very strong believer that ALL well sorted, Countach examples will continue to rise. The collector car world does not need to be reminded of the importance of this car.

 

Good post, basicley,whatever someone is willing to pay, is the cars value. Hard to argue this, thanks

 

If DD is 600-850, why are you naming one sale under 500K and another at 550. Isn't 600 the bottom? You're off by over 100 grand, according to your own calculations. That's a lot of money. Sounds like the real number is $475-675K.

Buyers are not going to trust this thread if they feel brokers are trying to push the numbers up.

I'm an owner, not a buyer BTW. I just think it's better for everyone if we can be realistic.

 

Yes, the muffler is different but can be changed to a nice ANSA for little money. Not fully sure if Lamborghini really installed different carburetors to the Swiss cars. I will verify this with Polo Storico. This should be noted in the built sheets.

 

PLEASE READ. : )

As I mentioned in this post, "So it has been about a year or so since I think I last updated the below numbers."

I stated that I sold a car below my original estimate, i.e. 13,000 miles just under $500k.

Not trying to "hype" any one model or version. We buy 7-10 Countach examples a year, and hopefully sell just as many. As I mentioned we personally own a 5000S. I wanted to follow up with my original post with RECENT actual sales values I am aware of.

 

There's little danger of that happening, now that the buying public has realized the truth about the emissions-based Fuelie and it's performance shortcomings and need for modifications in order to be acceptable, it is very difficult to sell a Fuelie for much over $200k, which represents good value to the starting enthusiast who simply wants any Countach to drive.

A healthy market consists of a wide range of buying opportunities and the Fuelie provides excellent entry-level opportunities.

This is exactly what John realized, so he picked up two for the price of one carbureted Countach, and started the Fuelie thread.

Speaking of which, how come nobody bothers to read or post in that thread?

A post from you that actually is indeed fact-based for once, Bravo!

John, thank you for following your heart and Championing the cause of the Countach in an unbiased and all-encompassing way, and, thank you for collating all the data in a meaningful way to add to a factual values profile for all the variants. Much respect

Agreed, and I happen to think the numbers are realistic

Swiss cars used the same 44DCNF Downdraft carburetors, however the first image shows the headers present on some Swiss cars, the second one is what was fitted to the ROW/European cars

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Could you possibly twist things around more?

 

In order to correct the misrepresentations you and Allan Lambo espouse upon Ferrarichat, I have to twist the false claims back to reality, so there is a lot of twisting involved, and yes, there will be more twisting required.

Whilst I realize that you prefer not to let them get in the way, speaking of facts, the carbureted Countach is the original concept (fact) and the therefore the LP400, LP400S, LP500S and QV were planned for production as carbureted cars (fact), no twisting required there. The Fuelie only came about because of the USA Government threatening to prevent the sale of Countachs in the USA, another fact, and yes, I've read the factory letters between Messrs Sgarzi & Alfieri and the NHTSA.

Another fact is that the Downdraft is the most powerful factory variant. But that aside, personally I think the most important attribute of the Downdraft that gives it future value is it's end-of-an-era hotrod engine which by itself has a singularly unique V12 4-valves carbureted configuration. Nobody has mentioned that this is what really makes the Downdraft stand out and afford it it's value to collectors, as, simply put there is not another Supercar of any make with an engine of this configuration. Collectors are slowly realizing this variant is the Countach beast to have, the ultimate Countach package, the factory Speciale.

 

Although I have no wishes to interject in this lovely discussion, please PM me if you actually know of a running QV in this price range. If it's the right car, I'll have it off of the owners hands within a week or two.

 

I actually sold a beautiful red/tan Fuelie to Texas, the best I could get for it was $210k.

If I come across anything nice I'd be happy to share with you!

 

FWIW Roy's lovely 1121252 is coming to auction, silver, no wing, carbureted https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/lots/r0111-1981-lamborghini-countach-lp400-s-series-ii-by-bertone/695039

 

Damn... Must of gone to the same guy in Texas my friend sold a lovely DD to for $195k.