...figured that was the case. The VT badge just goes on with a couple clips and nuts. Shamile Freeze. ...Miami Vice!
I think you're forgetting something when calculating the numbers...the Millennium and Momo cars were not FACTORY cars. They left as a standard roadster. It was Lambo Miami and Lambo OC that created the "Millennium Edition" for the US and Affolter (sp) in Europe that created the European versions. The Momo editions, like the Alpine Editions, were also created by dealers to showcase what could be done with the cars...the factory did not build these. There are 20 Millennium roadsters here in the US and 20 in Europe...the European ones are yellow, at least most are. Momo cars are either yellow or rosso vik (notice the name? Lambo OC created color). So this takes away from the numbers and changes the formulas some. Can't add those cars to the equation, have to take them out, I think once you do that then the numbers will make more sense for USA deliveries.
If I recall correctly there were 6 of the Rossa Vic color and 6 of the Ronald McDonald color 99 cars produced via Vic from the now defunct Lamborghini Orange County. You may also recall they made the same Ronald McDonald cars and ROssa Vic MoMo cars in 2004 with the FIRST year Gallardo's that came out, I do not know how many of those Vic produced for sale...it was just cosmetics for these "Momo" cars, nothing else, nothing special...
You are correct on the Momo Diablos. And I almost forgot about the Momo Gallardo's Vik had put together, even had some awful chrome five spoke wheels on them. I do wonder though, on the yellow Momo roadster the dead rapper was paraded in, if that affects the value of that car at all in the current market. They couldn't give that car away for years...isn't that the one Shark bought? I can't recall, for some reason I thought it was. I am curious as to whether or not it would have an impact on todays values. I also disagree with previous comments on Murcie's and LP's going down still...they are in fact on the rise again. In just 4 months time, early Murcies have increased in overall "book" value by about 10k, same with Lp's. I personally feel that a solid 02-03 Murcie should be priced in the 130-150k range...Lp's 180k ish for a well sorted car. Just my .02.
180's are the lower price for Lp's. They were all over 200k just a little while ago. Perhaps the bump you mentioned is the natural rise coming into the driving season. I wonder about the craziness of the Ronald McDonald Roadsters. Will it be coveted in the future? Some things are sometimes remembered for the era. The Testarossa is now going up because of it's association with Miami Vice. No longer what held it back as just a dated design from a galaxy far far away. lol Shamile Freeze. ..Miami Vice!
Are you sure this isn't just a seasonal factor, and that this coming winter we won't see Murcies (ex-LP670) take two steps back? It seems a bit "early" for Murcies to be appreciating in any meaningful way over the long haul. Even early examples are not out of the "death zone" of > 15 years of age. I would expect 20-25 years (since first production) to sail by before 02/03 cars catch any long term momentum up. This is usually just an issue of demographics, the teenager in the early 2000s likely won't be making any Murcie purchases until he is 40+, and the car is not rare enough to catch a permanent bid like an Enzo or something like that. I still can't explain Ford GT prices but let's just call that an outlier
91 Diablo $ BIN $100,000.00 http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=111642724676&alt=web Better get this one quickly! Shamile Freeze Miami...Vice!
Agreed. One day the conversation will be oh...those early Murci's, the last of the last manual transmissions! Oh those, L.P. 640's, no start stop at the intersection. One day...but not today. Shamile Freeze. ..Miami Vice!
I agree with you, prices in Italy for example are starting to pass the Euro200k mark...and thats only for 'first series' 2WD. This is also reflected on the UK market, which at the moment doesn't seem to be as excited about old Lambos as in other european countries or the US. Difficult for now to see where the 93/94/95 VT cars are going, would assume same prices given the limited number that were manufactured. This is my personal opinion only, but I believe that Diablos can only follow this crazy trend as we are seeing with 80's Italian supercars, as it is one of the last 'real beasts' from Sant'Agata designed by Mr.Gandini. The Diablo represents the transition from the old to the new Lamborghini - it pushed the boundaries of design, dynamics, electronics, mechanics not just to prove it could be done, but to create emotions like no other production machine could do. It was also very expensive. A very important car to have for any collector..just like the Testarossa and the Countach. few examples here Offerte
Is this a good car? Too many "modifications"? I am looking to add early 2 wd.....any thoughts,leads appreciated. Thank You, Jack
I don't know this car or if the owner is on this forum. The brakes can be put back but given the early brakes you may want to keep them if you're going to drive it. I noticed the painted intakes. If it's just paint, that can be easily removed. The early 17" Diablo wheels shouldn't be hard to locate as you can't get 17" tires anymore lol Even when I run down my last set of ps2's, I have to buy 18" rims for my VT Roadster. Shamile Freeze. ..Miami Vice!
Car has been discussed on the other Lamborghini site when it was up for sale several months ago. A multi Diablo owner who lives near this car said "you don't want that car". I guess the owner likes to burn up clutches.
I guess it will come down to supply and demand. If a low mile pristine 91 is on average 150k and this higher mile modified is 150k, that leaves you 50k for future restoration. The supply may not have dwindled to that point yet, but....does anyone care what the mileage is on a fully restored low body CT or Daytona? Shamile Freeze. ..Miami Vice!
Dont forget that Diablos are those cars that the more you spend when you buy them, the less you spend down the line. Get a good one now while they are "cheap"
Re-read that thread...tenor/vibe seemed to slowly turn towards "more favorable"....even Rayman. Guess it depends on buy-in number. Thanks, Jack
Given the age of these cars now, the maintenance costs will be more of a factor on age rather than the premium of low miles. Go with something well maintained and proven with receipts and records. Shamile Freeze. ..Miami Vice!
At some point mileage obsession will change to condition / in-maintenance obsession. I'm not sure when this happens though, maybe as low-mileage non-maintained cars turn into junk. I have a "higher" mileage car (~27,xxx), but I am doing the 30K service now and I am sparing no expense. I am also going to be doing some work on the interior. One thing to be sure, if/when I sell it, the next guy will have a very sorted car with which to do more than just look at
The so called "higher" mile cars run CIRCLES around all these pampered "Garage Queen" cars...I SAY THIS from first hand experience. 2001 6.0 approaching 40K miles, MINT tip top no issues. 2010 LP670-4SV, approaching 30K miles, tip top shape. BOTH cars still have original clutches and NEVER any MAJOR issue..the SV only a side view mirror motor went bad, first week I had it, ..the 6.0 ONLY a water pump at about 32K miles..THAT'S IT...
Having driven both of the cars Roy mentioned at various times spans, 670 when it was new with less than 1k on it and the 6.0 SE when it had under 20k on it...in fact the water pump went out on it when I was driving it! I can attest to one thing for certain, both cars continued to get exponentially stronger and more fun to drive as the miles went up...I've driven so many garage queens over the years I can honestly say that the difference is night and day...and what they say about no two same model Lambos are the same, is so on the money it's not even funny. Something about these cars that makes them unique and each one just a little different than its siblings.
I know a early 2wd Diablo for sale in europe. 100.000 euro. This car have 82.000 km on the meter. Many potensial buyers don't want the car because of the km. It have been with services all the way and current owner have been driving 25.000 km with it last 3 years with no problems. Driving long distance on the motor way. This shows that a car that is used a lot keeps its good condition while the "museum" cars with low km always have problems.
To that point about "higher mileage" cars... I keep seeing articles about the potential collector car market "bubble". The funny thing is that while there is no mention of the Diablo, following the 2wd market religiously over the past 3 years (a low of $80k in winter 2012...to today's peak prices), I have to say that the Diablo market behavior follows suit. Not sure what the "right" market price is for a 2wd Diablo right now, but the indicators pointed to in the article below are oddly familiar. Hell, look at the examples in this very thread of cars that have changed hands multiple times over the past 2 years. $240k US (MSRP) in 1992 is "worth" roughly $400k today...do the low mileage museum pieces that are traded and put away have another 200% run to them? Not sure. The Diablo is an amazing car, one in which I had interest in buying and driving, and I guess that is the frustration. Even at $150k, a low mileage example is screaming "buy". At this point it still seems the purchase would be wise but the driving part might just be the foolish side of the investment. Collector Car Market Correction - The Dashboard Lights Are Flashing. Is Anyone Paying Attention? - by Winston Goodfellow - Scott Grundfor Company - Classic Collectible Mercedes Benz Cars
You might want to read the recent post from a buyer who ended up buying another Diablo instead of this one. He describes it in not such favorable terms.
