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Open message to Rob from Maranelloman

Discussion in 'Other Off Topic Forum' started by dls, Feb 13, 2004.

  1. dls

    dls Rookie
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    Rob,

    I have sent you several emails this morning, inquiring as to why I was denied access to FC.

    No response from you.

    Then, after I logged out & removed all cookies, I see that I was given a one day ban for posting a very mild photo of a lovely young lady, naked from the waist up, in the Bikinis thread here.

    Below is your Terms of Use, excerpted. I look at it, and think back to all of the vulgar, defamatory, obscene, abusive, harassing, etc. posts made a week or two ago by DES and others, that, IIRC, did NOT result in any bans whatsoever.

    The hypocrisy of that double standard is truly breathtaking.


    "You agree not to do any of the following while using the FerrariChat.com Bulletin Board:


    1. transmit any message, information, data, text or other materials ("Content") that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, that may be invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;"
     
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  3. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    ..... and she had a bikini BOTTOM on.... I assume.

    Perfectly acceptable Lake Travis attire, I'll vouch for that personally!

    Tsk, tsk.

    Happy V-day, Mman!

    Speedy308 for President!
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    C'mon, MMan, we'll head down to The Yellow Rose, for lunch.....
     
  5. BWS550

    BWS550 Wants to be a mod

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    WTF???


    DAVE...WHATS THIS??
     
  6. whart

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    Dave: As i recall, she was not unattractive. But, the terms of use probably should be clarified to prohibit FUGLY chicks, just to be safe. I guess Rob is applying his literal no-nakedness rule, which permits scantily clad things, but no exposed aureole, nipples, etc. Gosh, i heard something about this recently. "Broadcast Standards" indeed. Your point is no different in some ways than the constant flogging of violence on TV, which is deemed perfectly acceptable, but show 'em a tit, and watch out! If anything happens on Ferrarichat today, i'll let you know.
     
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  8. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Dave, there's been plenty of vulgar, obscene content in the past; i think Rob only started really enforcing that terms of use since the incident you referred to... Before that incident, though, it wasn't unusual to see "vulgarity" in a few threads - sometimes, going on simultaneously...!
     
  9. aawil

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    What's really shameful is that in our country a picture of breasts is considered obscene.It's not a uncommon practice on message boards here though.On some I visit you would have been banned for good.
     
  10. BigTex

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  11. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Gotta go now!................................

    But I say "It's ART"

    World's Fastest Art Car , as seen in Cavallino #133
     
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  13. dls

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    Bill Hart, that may be....but, as I posted, the hypocrisy of the double standard I point out is truly breathtaking.

    I have no prob with admins removing a photo that they, in interpreting a rather vague TOS, do not like.

    But banning someone for this, even for a day or two?

    And yet they allow the grotesque, disgusting crap we saw ~2 weeks ago to go without any bans whatsoever, despite clear language in the TOS against it (not just singling out DES here because, as he rightly points out, he was by no means alone)?

    The horse left 2 weeks ago, and now the barn door closes.

    Again: The hypocrisy of that double standard is truly breathtaking. And if I have one pet peeve, it is blatant hypocrisy.

    Somehow, I think that perhaps FC is better off w/o yours truly. When I become unbanned, I think I'll remove my profile.

    For those who don't have my email address, it's "maranellogroup@austin.rr.com".

    Ciao !!
     
  14. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    "Definition of Irony and Hipocrisy" huh?

    Notice the ban didn't work, if you come in thru the "other door"!

    Now if you could just come up with one of those "dynamic IP address" thingies that are all the rage these days.............
     
  15. dls

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    ??? Say what, Alan? I don't get it. ??? Your post makes no sense.

    And why would I need a dynamic IP address? I am happy with the one I have.

    By the way, isn't it "hypocrisy" and not "hipocrisy"? Just wondering.
     
  16. isellpower

    isellpower Formula Junior

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    That picture was allowed because she has fake un's. It is not against the rules to post silicone.

    OOPS! I was too busy staring at the one on the right and did not notice the one on the left.....

    Very nice originals....
     
  17. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    Dave, dls, for what its worth Rob posted in GFD about the new changes including a " from this point on " warning about certain conduct. he also warned that even vets of the site would not be immune, its an all or none rules enforcement, at least as i understand it. i enjoy most of your posts, and i am only adding this to your thread in case you missed the long one that ROB has in GFD. please understand i am not taking any side or saying you did anything wrong. perhaps you should read the thread Rob posted for some answers. respectfully , michael
     
  18. Stickanddice

    Stickanddice Formula 3

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    Hear Hear!! :)

    On a more serious note.

    I find this newfound moderation a bit in the side of "hypocrisy" in this site. If I remember correctly, another person's moderation merited him crude nicknames like Napoleon and Hitler. When in fact users of his site welcomed this filtering of rubbish. So much so that his user base grows stronger. He does not hide behind moderators. As a matter of fact when he assigned moderators due to personal time constraints he granted them complete autonomy to the point they can even delete the site admin's threads. Back to Dave's point about the disgusting content of previous posts as opposed to his harmless post. Keep in mind, decency levels vary throughout the world and you do have a worldwide audience. Maybe this needs further clarification on the Terms and Conditions?

    How about adhereing to something like movie ratings? G-XXX. Since profanity is already banned, it looks like G is where this site is headed. Maybe this is a more understandable way for folks to relate?

    I stepped away from this board for a month or more, I think, due to the out of control posts and incessant fighting. I came back because someone had told me that my name was being mentioned in a thread and they would be thankful if I came in with some clarification. After I posted, others convinced me to give FChat another shot. My timing could not have been worse, I suspect. I came right in time to see NNO (who I found out to be DES/Sickspeed) just use the board as his personal toilet. Looking back at the rest of the threads I also saw, well...more fighting.

    I've always been in support of moderation, and thought it was sad that there was none here.

    Cheers
     
  19. fanatic1

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    I would just like to say, that a picture of a naked or topless woman, or man for that matter, unless engaged in a graphic sexual act should not be deemed vulgar.............only in America land of the free, is it wrong to show a shirtless woman...............that is kind of pathetic
     
  20. BigTex

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    dls,

    You're right on the spelling! Don't know where the "hip" came from. Must be something on my mind....... V day!

    The "dynamic IP" is why Rob couldn't shut down the notorious Peter G....
     
  21. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    ....It's a post 9/11, post Janet Jackson, post Sickspeed world out there!
     
  22. 134282

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    i hope you also saw why i was forced to take such actions...
     
  23. dls

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    WTF does this have to do with me??

    Happy V day to you, too, Alan.
     
  24. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Although I realize that the risque pics are few and far between compared to the amount of posts on the board, their presence has made me hesitant to explain to my family exactly where I meet my Ferrari buddies... for fear my young teenage brothers will start lurking on the board. If not for that, I would not worry if my 12 and 14-year-old brothers (or wife) visited Ferrarichat, except I also worry about them being exposed to the incessant Ferrari vs. Lamborghini banter :).

    Even though you can find worse content on Canadian cable TV, I agree with Rob that it should be enforced that swimsuit pics should have an actual swimsuit[/b]. This maintains a standard of propriety and *some* class that sponsors and most family users can accept generally.
     
  25. lotustt

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    Keep justifying that to yourself NO if that is going to make you feel better.

    I think there is a point to the hypocrisy here.
     
  26. mjgermane

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    I agree with Ryan. If I remember correctly, there was a thread on the old F-chat that people started to post some pornographic images. I asked people to refrain from that on F-chat and a lot of other people also requested the same. In my opinion, that is one of the many things that we should do here to maintain and increase the F-chat experience.

    MJG
     
  27. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    i knew someone like you would chime in; your empty disdain for me is so predictable... Dude, get a life and get off my back... It really makes you look like a loser to always come from out of nowhere and bust my chops for no reason... Are you not happy at home or something...? What is it...? What makes you such a miserable, irritating phallus...? Seriously... Be mature and just put me on ignore like Nibbles did... You're really wasting your time and making yourself look foolish in the process... i'm not going anywhere, in case you were wondering...
     
  28. 96impalaSS

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    God Carb dont you know we all hate you and just want you to leave. Cmon seriously jsut leave. ;)
     

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