Open source virtual Fchat-designprocess: NEW DINO

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Michiel, your drawings in post 74, this is what I had in mind. This looks modern, yet classic.

 

The Virago looks like a Ferrari wanna be. The Vemac is too Toyota like.

 

I would still give both of those cars their props - they are quite dino like in concept, styling and execution - and they actually exist. The Vemac, I believe, is actually a Japanese car, but I may be wrong as it has been a while since I was on their website. I would say it is more 250 LM -ish than Toyota. Another car to look at is the Sbarro Alfa Diva now floating around (was at Villa D'Este and Geneva)
Personally, I think the Vemak is exactly the look you want to modernize as the new Dino as MM suggests. And make it bigger so I can fit.
Good luck!!! I know you guys will come up with something terrific.

 

As the marketing input on this project, I would suggest we have to avoid the angular shapes of recent Pininfarina Ferraris. You have seen the overwhelming number of negative posts concerning this here on FChat.

I feel we should stick to a classic Ferrari look, more rounded, more like the one at the very top of Michiel's recent drawings.

I like the Alfa, but it looks like the Exige should have looked like but with an Enzo nose. From the side, it is too "squashed", unlike the original 246 Dino which is very proportionate from the side (height to length, overhang front and rear,etc.). So far, as a basis, I only like the Viagra, even then I think it misses the boat for this project.

 

I agree that that one really works.

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Yes, the basic concept in post 84, that is an excellent start. It can not be Gallardo modern, it must be Ferrari classic with a hint of modern. Not the new Miura retro though. I think retro will be passe soon.

I think you know what I mean. If you were to take a 246 Dino, and Photoshop new 18" wheels, let's start with the Challenge wheels, slightly lower the car from the roofline, no more than 2" greater wheelbase so there is room for the driver in a more reclining position since the top is slightly lower, raise the bottom of the window line to give the top a slightly "chopped" look, like Chrysler did with the 300

The nose would look close but not exactly like the F430, more rounded. The rear, more like the 360, but in keeping with the current Ferrari design theme, Enzo style tailights and rounded like the 246.

 

One key volume proportion I have noticed in mid engine designs is the location of where the base of the windshield comes in relationship to the front wheel well. In many 'successful' mid engine designs the winshield base starts aft of the back of the wheel well (see the Diva, Boxer). Any thing forward of this becomes very "cab forward" (look at a Mondial). The way this then translates to the front wheels and 'poised stance' is important.
I also agree with the idea of more pronounced front wings/fenders. They used to describe this as if a silk sheet had been dropped over the chassis giving us the timeless designs as the P3/P4 and the Dino. There is a fashion these days to chop the nose sometimes.
The Diva does work well proportionately, but with that wheelbase it must ride like a truck. While this may sound a bit trite, one may look at lengthening the area between the Diva rear wheelwell and the front door edge while lengthening the wheelbase to 96" or so, and forward of the windshield place the signature Dino/Ferrari scallopped headlight recesses on pronounced fenders, with more fore-aft relief to the nose section and not just straight across. Very simple, like the tiny 206 dino sports racing car, relying on the fascination of compound curves rather than tack ons.
Looking forward to your artistry!

 

Interesting thoughts.

 

thought i'd throw my cavallino-embossed hat into the ring...

just some ideas and a quick sketch or 2...

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I'm thinking that this car should have less of a uniform look. With greater production numbers then anything previous, there would be a greater need to standout as an individual. Perhaps taking a couple of approaches to this car would spark a greater interest. I'm thinking that with a corperate parts bin at our disposal production in the 20,000 range seems realistic. With that great number of cars, there needs to be a path for those that want individualize.

 

Pinifarina Dino sketch
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Nice. What does the side and front look like?

 

All the work so far in this thread looks fantastic - can't wait to see the finished product.

Although I have very few relevant skills, if I may I'd like to throw a thought into the arena. Whilst I believe that the designers would like to move away from the angular theme that Pininfarina is currently using for Ferrari design, I believe that there is a great rear end styling arrangement on one of the most recent Ferraris of all - Peter Kalikow's 612 (see this link: http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc3&image=99257_2.jpg). It retains the Enzo-style taillights, but has far more sweep and flow than the F430. However I feel that the central section (presumably on a new Dino the engine cover rather than the boot/trunk lid) could do with more of a kick or spoiler - similar to the 360CS - I feel that a sports car could use a bit more aggression and athleticism than a grand tourer like Peter Kalikow's 612.

I'd be interested to hear what the stylists think of this idea. Keep up the good work guys!

 

Surely that has nothing to do with a Dino?

 

Although crudely, I inserted about 8 inches in the mid-section of th Diva, and slightly lengthened the nose 2 -3 " (required volume increase to match the mid section for directionality). Now, with the length, you can see the there is now time for the lateral line to develop giving a 'Pininfarina' flow line that did not have time to develop on the original car, as it was just too short with the required height.
Note how this car's lateral line flows better than the original Diva a few posts earlier.
The original diva had a transverse Arese V-6 (a fine engine), but now there in room for a longitudinal placement or dare I say it, more interior room in a mid engine car.
Just food for thought.
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here's my interpretation of the new dino...the sketches above puts mines to shame! :-(


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/857/10061635xn.jpg

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4228/10061657hk.jpg

 

I add the rear view
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