Original Ferrari Dealer sign? Thoughts?

Well don't panic because I am not positive, but I think that might not be authentic. I believe Ferrari has used 5 different cavallinos over the years. The current iteration began in 1990 or 1991. Your sign matched the current profile. Prior to that date the tail of the horse did not have the 3 pieces that flare at the end, the flare was more subdued. Additionally the prior cavallino had the right leg slightly behind the knee of the left leg so there was no space between the two legs.

I believe Chinetti's dealership went out of business sometime in the 1970's. Please realize I could be wrong about this, but if that is true, the sign could not have looked like that.

But hey, it's still a nice sign!

 

I also would like to hear others thoughts. I know there are some real Ferrari historians on this site who would know better than I.

 

There is no way that's from Luigi Chinetti Motors. That iteration of the Cavallino is the current one circa early 2000's (2003?).

 

Hi Ara. Thank you. Just to make sure first off, I am not an expert. I can tell this is a recent logo because sometime in the early 2000's the design went from a stallion to a mare. I do not see anything with Chinetti Motors on the sign itself. The Chinetti Motors logo looks like a sticker, the kind you would put inside the glass on a car. I can only guess but I think they just put those stickers in a bag and taped it on the box to keep all the Ferrari "stuff" together.

A lot of people have made these signs.

 

It is also possible that the people at Ferrari that ordered new signs to send to the dealers had an outdated dealer list. The Chinetti sign was ordered and then could not be delivered as the dealer was no more. So it got stored somewhere and then eventually someone recognized an opportunity and sold it.

 

I believe that this sign was created long after Chinetti (LCM, Chinetti Intl, Chinetti-Garthwaite) was dead and gone. Someone may have attached a Chinetti sticker to it an attempt to create some sort of provenance. There is none. Cool sign though.

 

My father was a Ferrari dealer in Miami in the 50’s and 60’s. He did a lot of business with Chinetti. Here is sign we still have.
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This sign is now on pcar market and referencing chinetti

 

The Chinetti decal is also a reproduction. You will notice that the Cavallino only has one leg. There is a UK based decal maker who produces these.

 

The reproduction Chinetti decal can be found here: https://www.isaydingdong.co.uk/shop/search.php?q=Ferrari&searchbutton=Search

 

Interesting description on the Pcar auction site, considering what has been revealed in this tread. Always do your due diligence!

 

It is certain that this isn't from Chinetti, does anyone have an account at pcar and informed the bidders of this? It's over a grand now and someone is going to get screwed and clearly the seller doesn't care.

 

Paul, someone posted a comment on the auction yesterday with a link to this thread, a couple of hours later the comment had been removed by PCar!!

Like you say, someone is going to be royally screwed by this, and to be honest I think the original poster on this thread knows what he has and is totally misrepresenting this item - Sad!

 

What was the dealership called? I lived in Ft. Lauderdale in those days and I recall Pleasure Cars which became Cressman Motors, and ultimately Ferrari-Maserati Fort Lauderdale, but I can’t remember the Miami dealership.

 

PCar Market is a sponsor here and perhaps should do a better job of vetting it’s auction lots. There was also an incident of a PCar employee birddogging members here who were selling cars in the FChat classifieds. I’m not sure what the ultimate resolution of that was.

 

The OP clearly knows that this isn't real. They are not able to prove its origins and even admit in another thread that "noone can say for sure."
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/chinetti-ferrari-dealer-sign-on-pcar.669912/

 

The link you posted appears to have been deleted... Hmmm.

 

Hello. In regards to the comment, it was only not visible because it was flagged by multiple users. The moderator made it visible to the public again. Due to the uncertainty surrounding this auction we felt it is best to withdraw the auction and give the seller an option to relist with a different description. We want to thank the FerrariChat community for being involved and assisting us with being a transparent and safe platform for you to transact. We are proud to be a sponsor and part of this community. PCARMARKET Staff

 

The other thread is still gone. Why is that?

I was the first person to call BS on this sign, and the seller was fully aware that this auction was more likely than not a fraud, yet played dumb. Like dude....you are a Ferrari collector it appears, so you bought it at a bargain and want to still make a few bucks on it?

There are a lot of fake Porsche dealer signs on both of these auction sites. You can tell the real ones, which are few.

 

The moderator should explain.

 

Not sure why the other thread was deleted but on the withdrawn pcar auction a user GatorFL claims it was removed on fchat due to copyright violation? Anyways the auction got up to 1,800 and we saved a guy from getting royally screwed. We can pat ourselves on the back. Thanks to PCar for being transparent and responsive!

 

I am a moderator here and removed the ad in the classifieds because after about 5 minutes of research I concluded the sign was fake. I therefore removed the ad as a copyright violation (since it is an obvious copy) and was misrepresented in the ad as real. I also reached out to @PCARMARKET and advised them the sign was a fake. When I did that, there was a bid around $1800 so I am happy to see that they removed the ad and protected that potential buyer from a monetary loss. I don't expect an auction site to be able to judge the authenticity of everything on their site but it is encouraging that they responded swiftly.