Pierre Bardinon collection

Here it is in 1985 at Alessandria.
(Perhaps somebody should create a separate PIPER REPLICA thread?)

Marcel Massini

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This would separate the long-term Piper ownership history of 0826 and 0834 from the 0900’s.
It’s my understanding that his racing efforts led to cross-pollination of bodies and parts, unique in Fcar history. Further, it’s my understanding that the original 0900 was built with Enzo’s (tacit?) approval and access to 100% original Ferrari mechanicals etc.
I think it would be useful to keep this history together, along with 4491 and 8165. IMO all the cars belong in one Piper thread and, with Mods approval, it should live in Vintage.
Piper’s story is unique in Ferrari racing history and I hope Fchat understands the value of telling it as one story in one place. Frankly, the scope of it may have been under-covered here, at least from what I’ve seen on the site in the last 15.5 years.

 

I'm sure just typos but you mean 0824 (365 P) and 0836 (365 P2). There is no Ferrari P4 with Ferrari chassis number 0900. As you know, as well as 250 GTO 4491, Piper owned 250 GTO 3767.

 

33% typos, 33% dyslexia, 34% using an iPhone instead of a laptop.
Thanks for the correction.

Agreed. I'm saying the Piper 0900 built-up P4 belongs in the same thread on David Piper with his 0824 and 0836.
I think the story of these cars is as much about David Piper as it is about the individual race histories.

Indeed. I was thinking specifically of Pipes' development of the GTO (4491) with respect to reduced frontal area (by altering A-pillars, roofline). A later analogue of this type of development would be the Gulf-Mirage development of the GT-40. I believe 4491 is unique among GTO's in terms of aero development efforts.

 

There is no original P4 with the number 0900. That car is a Piper. See also 2nd photo in post 451.
The original number 0900 was used for the last 312 P(B) which was built from parts. And that 312 P(B) 0900 has zero to do with Piper.

Marcel Massini

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Now let's go back to the Bardinon thread.
Photo #1 shows 0860 in Can Am Spider form at Mas du Clos 1975 (together in that photo with 0884 and 0870).
Photo #2 shows 0860 at Mas du Clos after the rebody.

Marcel Massini

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Yes. An original Piper P4 0900. The reason I wrote "original 0900" is to distinguish the first P4 Piper built from the clones he created afterward.
I would have thought this was clear to all who know, but since it has proven not to be I apologize for any confusion my imprecision may have created.

I know and have known for 30+ years.
Having personally spent several hundred hours in summer of 1990 working with Fred Drobner in the restoration and reassembly of 0894 [prior to the reinstallation of 0894's engine (restored by Bob Houghton)], I may be more conversant in 312 P(B)s than 99% of the folks who will ever visit this site.
The 0900 stamp I was referring to is the one pictured in your post #451 appearing above mine.

Marcel thank you for the wonderful pics (Bardinon and otherwise) posted on this page of the thread.
I do apologize for the thread jack.

 

Although David Piper numbered his P4 with the 0858 spares/0860 body with the number 0900, and to be clear, as discussed here, it is Piper 0900, not Ferrari 0900, the other clone P4 chassis he had made by Silvano Cantelli were not numbered 0900A, 0900B and 0900C at all. These 0900A, B, C numbers/letters were only used by Max Wakefield, who owned one of them at one time, to differentiate them all whilst discussing these chassis in The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread.

 

Bardinon definitely knew how to live life well.

 

Yes, but other times...

 

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Bardinon family still owns the P4 and 312P?

 

Club Ferrari France meeting

 

Yes, but less than 10 cars left...

 

Yeah but those 10 cars will be explosive when the family finally settle and sell up. Le Mans winning 375 Plus anyone?

 

Me?

 

Here in 1999 at Mas du Clos

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IF #0384AM with more holes than a decent bit of Emmental can fetch $20mm in 2014, this 375 Plus could be worth up to $40mm?

 

so what is the current status? are the remaining cars for sale?

 

No, even though every dealer under the sun has tried to contact he family.

The remaining cars are under legal seal, lock and key at Mas du Clos, by court order, as a consequence of the 250 GTO#5573 intra family court battle. That was judged and has gone through all its appeals but I think one brother is delaying things to inconvenience the other.

That is the latest I know, please update me if I am wrong.

Hopefully when they sell they will go to worthy owners who will show them and enjoy them, not to greedculators who will stash them away in garagemahals.

 

Thank you Marc, what a shame

Yes lets hope the cars can get uncaged soon and being enjoyed in freedom

 

Uncaged; you got it absolutely right!

 

I believe you are right BUT a very well connected and extremely affluent US collector was offered the 10 remaining cars a few days ago...... at ridiculous prices. I queried whether this was a phishing thing by a broker who didn't actually have access to anything YET

 

Unscrupulous brokers (and making unauthorized, often outrageous offers, without any actual contact with the family) and baseless rumors are like viruses; they abound around such situations, I would not pay any attention to that.

The court is in control and once the judge decides the cars can be sold things will happen, be it at action or privately. if it is privately the news will leak out eventually.

 

Following the court decision a sollicitor / notary as we say in french had been given a one year time from 20th of august 2023 to split the assets of the estate between the three heirs. That time has now elapsed by miles.

However due to the state of french system / justice / legal + human issue it is not a suprise that it takes longer. In this respect i sincerely hope that the notary in charge (or designated by the court) is a good (i mean honest and quite diplomatic) one. In the end papers for split / liquidation + payment of any applicable inheritance taxes of the estate have to be signed by the three hairs and if one is deliberatly slowing that final process it can take months more as there are very few legal grounds and little economic relevance to legally force a reluctant heir to sign / agree in a timely manner for the other ones.

What we can be assured of is that the cars were kept in good storage conditions and that they have all grounds to be high value.

Bear in mind we have seen absolutely no pictures of the "museum" which are less than 20 years old. Very few have had the chance to come in.

Hope some kind of photography / story will be issued at the "final opening" and end of the museum as we know it when / if the cars have to leave.

KR