Pilot Sport 4S tyres Porsche rated!

I’m in the same boat. Interested in the response.


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Some NO related info here from last month https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/best-tires-for-f8.645436/#post-148016471

 

I have mixed and matched before, especially on a lightweight car. If it were a heavier vehicle then the load rating matters more, but the difference in grip between different OEM compounds has been less than what you get by varying tire pressures and way less than from wear, in my experience from a couple years of track days.
Actually, this reminds me, I know a tire test driver for a major brand (unfortunately not Michelin, but I bet they do competitive analysis), next time I see him I'll ask about this. Poke me in a month if you're still curious.

 

Tirerack has a chart detailing the difference between the specific tires and the manufacturer markings

It blew my mind that there was 1mm less tread on another version of the SAME tire!

 

For example, just a random screen shot I took

You can see the MO version of the tire has more tread lol
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I will suggest that you get the the full K1 set for the Lusso. Yes the fronts are 245 instead of 235, but they are a great fit. If the 458 needs anything, it's a bit more tyre up front.

No rubbing or other issue. The actual difference is so subtle that you'd need another 458 beside it to tell the difference.

The most important thing is that you get a matched set of tyres. If you run an OE style tyre on one axle, but a general purpose on the other, this can in some cases create some odd characteristics. I've driven two 458's with the Lusso set and it outperforms the OE MPSS on all fronts.

The only thing I don't care for with the Porsche suggestion here, is the fact that these were designed for a Panamera, not a 911 or Cayman. Running Porsche spec shoes on a Ferrari is not an issue, as long as the tyres was designed for another sportscar. I do this with the 488 Spider. I have the 991 GT3 set of Cup 2 shoes on it, and they absolutely leave the Pista K2 set for dead - brilliant set for the 488 and F8. But the Panamera is a totally different animal. Full 4wd, super soft suspension, heavy car, 50/50 weight distribution. Add to that you are only getting the rears off of the Panamera.
Now you might be asking yourself about this in regards to the Lusso. And yes, it is a GT, but it's Ferraris take on a GT. Yes it has the 4RM system, but it is a predominantly rwd car, not an awd car. Suspension is not that different either. Softer, but with similar traits. But most importantly is the weight distribution. Both cars have a 42/58 weight distribution, and this is very important here. On top of that camber and toe on a 458 is no more aggressive than it is on a Lusso or FF for that matter. So all in all you end up with a set of tyres that are not only matched to each other, you end up with a tyre that comes from a car which shares some important basic traits with your 458.

Hole this helps a bit.

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Oh, there can be a lot more to it than that. But shaving the tyre makes it less prone to squirming about. But some have different compounds, different patterns, and some have built in camber etc. Some have softer or stiffer inner walls. There are two OE sets of tyres I will never mix and match, and that are BMW or Merc tyres. Tyres made for those OEM's can be very different and have all sorts of small changes. I don't mind them as a full set, the Merc GTR MPS4S set is great for a Lusso or FF running 20/21 wheels. This is in part because the Lusso and FF have more in common with a GTR than it does with an S,class.

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If you order 245 front's get the K1 spec. No need not to as its a proven setup already. It's a matched set.

Fronts.
https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-4S/245-35-ZR20--95Y--XL-K1/R-332848

Rears.
https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-4S/295-35-ZR20--105Y--XL-K1/R-332849

 

I run the full K1 Lusso set on a 458 based on the advice from this board and it is wonderful

 

See this...the differences can be vast!

 

I’m a little confused and greatly respect your expertise in these matters.
For my 2018 911 GT3 I should avoid the N0 because they are designed for Panamera?
Which MPS4S tires would you recommend for my 911 since my rears are getting a little worn?
Thanks!!

 

There are more than one N0 sometimes. The Panamera and GT3 do as far as I know, not share tyre size.

Let me look into it later. What year is your GT3?

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okay, thanks.

 

You guys are incredible with your knowledge ( intended as a complement).

Last year I ran into a situation where I needed a replacement Pilot Sport tire (was out in the great wild yonder) and could only procure a Pilot Sport for a Tesla.

A year and 12,000 miles later - through hell and high water - I can’t notice any difference.

At service last week, the mechanic said all tires are fine and wear pattern normal.

Guess it pays to run your car hard too, lol.

 

If you watched the video I linked, the guy says that you would probably not notice the difference unless you had the two sets of tires back to back, but it's more that there are differences to the generic tire vs the branded tires and the branded tires were optimized for your car. For the new M3/M4 PS4S, he says the car-specific tire has better/more responsive turn-in and that the front and rear feel connected. Would someone notice if handed a car with the regular tire in regular street driving? Probably not. I read somewhere that the Ferrari branded tires (at least the PSC2 for my Speciale) had less tread thickness for lighter weight tires. Going on Tirerack, yup...they have many 305/30R20 rears...some are 31 pounds, the Ferrari one is 29 pounds. In a pinch, if you can only get a different one? Sure, but I would imagine it's preferable to have the tires made for that car. Also, as time goes on and new/better tires come out, there will be a point where you would get that one and not the ones that were designed for the car. My X5M came with PSS as OE. Would I jump at the opportunity to put on PS4S if they came in the correct size? You bet!

 

Understeer? Like this?

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Ok, so the first gen Panamera with 20" wheels, used an MPSS N0 in 255/40R20 and 295/35R20.
The current gen of Panamera uses a 275/35R20 and 315/35R20 N0 MPS4S.

The following are all MPS4S
The 991 GT3 uses a 245/35R20 and 305/30R20 N0, (Great for the 488 and F8 btw)
The 992 C2 and C4 including S models can be had with a stagger set up which is the 245/40R19 and 295/35R20 NA0. Note not N0. Those rears could potentially be used on a 458, but there's no front to go with them. That being said, the N0 GT3 fronts from the 991 might work great with the NA0 rear.

The 0 simply means that it's the first version of that tyre, in that size, in that weight and speed rating. There can be two 245/35R20 N0 tyres for example, if one is an SL and the other is an XL. if they are the same specs but for different models, this is where you see one being an N0 and the next being an N1. That's why the Lusso is K1 and the Cali T is K2. The rears are different, but the set needs to have the same name, so despite one rear being a 285 and the other a 295, the fronts dictate that the Lusso set is K1 as it was created first, and the Cali T set is K2 because it was after. They are dictated by the front size, as both use 245/35R20 XL (Y). Had one of them been a 245/35R20 XL W instead of a (Y) or one been an SL instead of XL, they would both be K1. That's the case between the MPSS K1 of the 458 and FF. Both rears are 295/35R20 and they don't have the same fronts, but the FF rear is an XL and the 458 rear is an SL. Hence why both are K1.

 

Thanks so much for the education! Very much appreciate it.

 

The N0 or N1 tires in sizes for your car should be fine, as they would have been designed for a 911.


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Wipers William? You drove in the rain?? Is she ok?


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Lol…..

That was from Dragon’s Tail in NC and yeah it got a bit sloppy up top. My car sees quite a bit of rain everywhere I go, including here in FL.

My favorite symbol is the ‘automatic wiper icon’ that pops up on the left VDA. The variable speed feature actually works really well (yay!).

I’ve got all kinds of equipment on my farm (some of it new) and the F is proving to be the most reliable - by far. Go figure.

These cars love being driven.