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  1. thecarreaper

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    ok i searched around in the archives and i still have a stupid question:
    almost all of my other cars have had filters that were in the position so that they could be filled with oil and then installed on the engine prior to start up. bieng as its best to change the oil after warming the engine, i dont want warm engine parts starving for oil on initial start up.
    ? do folks here pour any oil in thier filters and let it soak in , before turning them " upside down" and installing them on thier whatever model ferrari ( assuming your goes on like a 308 series ect) i did the gear oil and diff yesterday, i want to do the engine oil after a brief warm up and see if any changes have occured, mainly, if i am going to be looking for someone to replace a bad syncro on my 308!! the filter thing is more of a personnel thing i have always done, i have no proof that letting the filter soak up as much new oil as it can, before install, really does any good or not. it would seem that the pressure would rise faster due to the oil under pressure "wicking" through the filter material faster.
    or perhaps i am just plain wrong. anyone here add oil in the filters, or do they just screw them on and hit the key? :) thanks for any replies, MICHAEL.
     
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  3. Spasso

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    On my other vehicles I put as close to a quart as I can into the filter first. It DOES make a difference.
    On the 308 I usually put at least a half a quart in and then pop it on. No mess to speak of.
     
  4. thecarreaper

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    THANKS FOR THE REPLY...... thats exactly what i did, i posted this thread as i was walking out to the garage to finish what i started on yesterday. i could not test drive the car due to a severe thunderstorm. i know a regular filter will easily absorb a 1/2 quart and not leak ir turned upside down. i let the filter sit with the oil in it while i drained and refilled the car. car DROVE FREAKING GREAT by the way. got rid of the redline oil and filled the car with Lucas 75w90 full synth. no more noise, 3rd gear is not " perfect " but now i can use the gear without cringing before every shift. 2nd is perfect. drove the car over 30 minutes on the highway and in heavy traffic.

    i need to add this to the other thread but i had 2 girls ask me what kind of car it was, i told them an old ferrari , and the driver got really happy ( REALLY) and she said her friend thought is was a "special mustang". ( this was a long traffic light , i went that way to see if the car would run hot or not, it passed the test ) they liked the S.F. shields on the sides, though thats why they thought it was a ford LMAO!!
     
  5. Spasso

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    I had a lady look at the horse on the rear of my 308 and ask me if it was the 'new' Mustang. I said , "No, It's a Ferrari and they had the little horsey first."
     
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    Great news...but was curious...what version of the Redline gear oil were you using?
     
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  8. MY355

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    That would be a bit messy on the 355 being the filter is upside down.
     
  9. thecarreaper

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    i dont know, previous owner was using redline. the syncro will need to be replaced , but at least i can drivee the car while i am searching for someone to do the owrk, or until i can find a used 308 trans, i dont want to give up my original as a core.
     
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    :) all of the 308 series filters are also upside down. see my post #1 at the top.
     
  11. Philjay50

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    When I cahange the fillter on my Mondial I put oil in the filter and accept an amount of mess but also I ALWAYS take the plugs out and spin the motor over until I have oil pressure and the light goes out. Then Plugs back in and start up. That way (hopefully) no stress on the bottom end.
     
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  13. Mike C

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    Wow, that all sounds like overkill to me. Unless you're doing the oil change COLD, there's still going to be enough oil on moving surfaces to cover the few seconds at IDLE SPEED that it takes to get the filter filled back up without damage.
     
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    yeah, sounds like a little overkill but I guess it can't hurt unless you drop a half a quart of oil down on the bell housing :)
     
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    It's not messy at all. I just did it on my 4-liter V-12 330, which has two upside down filters.

    I added about a half a quart to each (perhaps a little less) and none spilled out.

    --Matt
     
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    You could just pull the electric fuel pump "fuse", crank the engine to get the filter filled and oil pressure up, before you start the car.
     
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    Thanks. Sounds like the previous owner had the wrong Redline gear oil put in (they make several). If it is too slipperly, then the synchros will not like it, and you get the crunching sounds, and difficult shifting. Using Redline 75w-90 NS (no slip) would be the cure for that. I'm currently using that with just a little slip additive.

    You may notice that the shifting gets progressively worse over time...this seems to be a change in the fluid properties with age. I used Mobil 1 gearbox oil and it worked great initially, but after 7 or 8k miles started having all kinds of shifting/crunching problems (it has the slip additive already in it...and probably too much for the Ferrari application). Switching to the Redline NS seemed to have cured it.
     
  18. BigTex

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    Try some Royal Purple, Micheal.....:)
     
  19. MY355

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    He said its basically the same thing as when you shut the car off.
    Further what you are doing "can't hurt" and if you find it messy
    he suggested to simply funnel a little oil down the center hole
    and "wallah" your in !!

    :) :) :) :)
     
  20. thecarreaper

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    thanks, this weekend i am re jetting the carbs and syncing them. the caps and wires are 3 years old and have about 10k miles on them. i want to switch to a new ignition and get the trans fixed asap. i will askwhoever i get the trans from on gear oil opinions.



    Speedy i have been looking at Royal Purple also. last step is to drop the pan and see if i can adjust the shift plates. otherwise the trans is coming out. one way or another!!!
     
  21. Smiles

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    Would that work?

    In older V-12's there's also a regular diaphram-type fuel pump. So you'd still be getting fuel to the carbs while you cranked. Are V-8's different?

    --Matt
     

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