RBM, Just to confirm...with your Option II setup, there was no rubbing either front or rear, and in the case of the front, no rubbing lock-to-lock. And this is stock suspension setup (e.g., ride height, camber), and no spacers. Reason is I'm leaning towards RE-11s (or perhaps MPSS) on my Scuderia which is 100% stock. My only questions is whether to go... a) up "plus 2" all around (i.e., your option II) b) up "plus 1" front (245) and "plus 2" Rear (305) c) OEM size of 235/35 Front and 285/35 Rear ...Mine is for street use, which may be aggressive once in a while. I know that F430GT and others have weighed in, so I'll need to search through other threads as well (plus get the proper alignment settings). Thanks, DL
There was no rubbing in front or rear, inner fender or outer fender. I did not test lock-to-lock. At TWS, on track is never more than 90 degrees input to the steering wheel. No inner fender rubbing noted driving in the paddock. No spacers, but NOT stock setup. Camber is more aggressive, but ride height is higher. Plus 2 in the rear should not be a problem, as the 305/30 is actually smaller in diameter than the 285/35. Others are running Plus 2 all around on stock wheels, with no problems. My only concern is running Plus 1 on the BBS wheels.
Here are the 'before' photos of the old lenses, showing the spider webs after 3.5 years. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
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Wow, what a difference! What exactly caused the original lights to do this, and does Ferrari guarantee the new ones from doing it?
After a lengthy development phase, my local shop has come up with a new design for the emergency brake post that supports the cable retainer and pivot pulley. The stock e-brake post is the only obstruction to mounting 18" diameter wheels on the rear of the Scud. Their new design moves the mechanism inboard so that it will clear an 18" wheel. The photos below show a 2nd gen rapid prototype used for fitment testing. The production piece will be made of sintered Titanium in a 3-D printing machine. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
These two photos show how the modified e-brake post provides more clearance than the stock e-brake post beyond the outer surface of the e-brake caliper. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
2009 Ferrari F430 Scuderia Rear CCM rotor assembly: 4.610 kg/10.17 lb Front CCM rotor assembly: 6.185 kg/13.63 lb Assembly includes rotor, hat, and ten (10) sets of assembly hardware. More data and photos to follow on breakdown of assembly components. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Fascinating work. The trouble you have to go to in order to put "smaller" wheels on your car! Look forward to seeing the finished article. I've heard of 3D Printing for sure but how on earth can you make something of sintered Ti with a printing machine? Link please!
Not much trouble for the rear, really. Just ordered two bolt-on parts. 10 minutes and 1 tool to install on each side. The front is too much trouble, though.
I broke each rotor assembly down into its three basic components: Front Rotor Assembly CCM Rotor = 5.005 kg/11.04 lb Hat = 0.765 kg/1.69 lb Hardware (10 sets of 4 pcs each) = 0.410 kg/0.91 lb Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here is the data on the rear rotor assemblies: Rear Rotor Assembly CCM Rotor = 3.540 kg/7.81 lb Hat = 0.670 kg/1.47 lb Hardware (10 sets of 4 pcs each) = 0.400 kg/0.89 lb Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I sourced a set of Pagid RS-19 "Yellow" endurance brake pads for the rear brakes from FerrariChat sponsor Vivid Racing. As discussed before in this thread, these pads are spec'd for the Ferrari Challenge cars, although they are different than the 'Ferrari brand' Pagid pads sold through the Ferrari dealers for the Challenge cars. Not only are the RS-19s a lot cheaper than the factory pads, Vivid Racing sells them for a bit less than any of the other US Pagid dealers. For the record, a set of new rear brake pads for the Scud weighs 2.35 kg/5.18 lb. So, on average, each un-worn rear pad weighs 588 g/1.3 lb. Most of the weight is the steel backing plate. Photo #2 shows the RS-19 pad side-by-side to the stock Scuderia pad. Note that the RS-19 backing plate is not notched for the brake pad wear sensor. Those have been zip-tied out of the way for now. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Bob, Been through all of this myself... I too run RS19's and Scud/F430 Challenge calipers. Awesome improvements once warmed up. I actually though preferred the RS29's (also yellow) that I used to run on CS CCM's (smaller 380mm fronts), they had a bit better cold performance though never saw them available in 398mm (ie. scud) fitment. Noticed the new LaFerrari runs the same 398mm front discs as the Scud but with 380mm (i.e. CS sized front's) on the rear... Interestingly they chose not to up the width or diameter any further.... I think this combination doesn't really get much better until we move to Magnetic Wedge brakes in a few years time...
Concur on the RS-29s. I used to run them on Porsche with PCCB rotors. Pagid is now selling three compounds specifically for ceramic rotors under their own brand: RSC-1, RSC-2, and RSC-3. They formulated these for OEMs awhile ago. RSC-1 is the current MovIt pad. RSC-2 is the old MovIt Race pad (no longer offered by MovIt). RSC-3 is the Porsche PCCB track pad. All three look to be more aggressive than the RS-19/29. More info is posted on another thread in this forum. I need to ask Vivid Racing to find out if Pagid will offer any of these on the 430 Challenge pads.
I am in the process of replacing the CCM rotors on the Scuderia with Carbon Fiber Reinforced Ceramic (CFRC) rotors designed for track applications. The track rotors are the same dimensions as the stock rotors, so it's not technically a "Big Brake Kit". Based on initial data, the new setup will be slightly heavier than the stock setup. The upgrade is actually in improved rotor life and the resulting reduced lifecycle cost. Rotor friction coefficient is roughly the same, and the pad friction coefficient is identical (no change), so theoretical performance will remain the same. Lap-on-Lap Performance will be better for the CFRC rotors over time because of the superior heat properties. Here is the weight data on the front rotor and hardware: CFRC Rotor = 5.450 kg/12.01 lb Hat = TBD Hardware (10 sets of 5 pcs each) = 0.365 kg/0.80 lb The front CFRC rotor is about 1 lb heavier. Both rotors are made from the same material, Siliconized Carbon, though that is where the similarities end. The added weight comes from increased solidity. The CFRC rotor has smaller vent holes. Because the CFRC has better heat transport properties than the CCM, the greater solidity gives it more heat capacity and better heat transfer. The hardware is 12% lighter than the stock hardware. My local brake supplier is providing Titanium hats for the CFRC rotors, so I hope to win back some of the weight, as well as better insulate my hubs and spindles from all the braking heat. Two of the photos show the stock hat and stock pad overlaid on the CFRC rotor to verify the fit. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I was offered a set of these RSC-1 for my Scuderia last week. I have plenty left on my RS19/29 setup but it would be nice to know if the RSC-1 is lighter on the disk or if there would be any other benefit to the RS19/29...
Here are the photos and the weight data on the rear rotors and hardware: CFRC Rotor = 4.310 kg/9.50 lb Hat = TBD Hardware (10 sets of 5 pcs each) = 0.355 kg/0.79 lb Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Bob, Do you know if you could fit these lighter center bell fixing's and use them in place of the original heavier factory Brembo fixings? I.e. to save a bit of useful unsprung rotational weight? I.e. fit them against the original discs or do they only fit these new discs only? I must admit I was always surprised how heavy the fixings where! I was dumbfounded how heavy the CS center bells are (like dumb bells!) whereas the Challenge racing center bells are featherweight. I imagine the Scud ones are too. ..Hmm I suspect they did this to leave something on the table for the next model ! The same reason why the Scud never got the 380mm front disc conversion from the CS (but fitted to the rear) Vs the much smaller 350mm rear discs it inherited from the CS. (... and for anyone thinking about this, YES the Front CS calipers and discs do in fact fit on the rear of a Scud - but sadly not with the handbrake calipers in place.... boo hoo..). That gives you an identical CCM size setup similar to the LaFerrari then...
Wow! Just re-read this stuff ! Fantastic! I would love to know how much something like this costs... Not necessarily to own [sure its silly money] but for them to fabricate items for you in sintered Ti. Absolutely gobsmacked this tech has already filtered down to the level where we can be talking about making pieces in this way!
