Questions from a first time Mondial owner

When was the last major service done? DO you have the service records from previous owners?

 

There's definitely something wrong with your tuning if the car is fouling the plugs. The K-jet should not be doing that. Check to make sure you have the correct plugs in the car. FWIW, any good German car place can adjust the injection if they have a couple of old-school guys -- the CIS was used in Audis, VWs, and I think the Mercedes cars.

 

That is good advice. Something is not right with the plugs or the injection. ALso the mixture could be rich. I believe the manual is 9 quarts of oil. As far as the windshield I would think any glass shop that does them could help you. Those cars are notorious for electric problems although my Mondial is pretty accurate with the warning lights so don't discount it as a short just yet.

 

Just had my windscreen, framework & mirror replaced by Rosso Corsa......... £2700. Your correct the only option is for an OEM item as none of the screen makers make one (I tried many).

I have a Mondial 8 and its Oil warning light is on all the time, the oil level is spot on so I'm about to replace the oil pressure switch.

 

1. Congrats on the car, welcome to Ferrari ownership.

2. On the oil, read the manual on how to check it. I can't remember off the top of my head, but there is a trick on some of them to check it warm, several minutes after the car has been shut off. When in doubt, go to the book.

3. On the FI, others are right, something is screwy, get it checked.

4. On the windshield, welcome to Ferrari ownership.

 

Hetek, when checking the oil the book says to wait 15 minutes after engine is shut off to check level. The dipstick is a little weird i use a paper towel to see the oil on the stick.

Welcome to F car ownership, once it gets in your system you can't shake it.

 

Pretty sure the Mondial's warning light is for oil pressure, not depth. My 308 QV has the same engine, but no oil warning light. Can't remember if the Mondial has an oil pressure gauge, but if so, I'd trust it more than the light.


Oil llevel should be checked about 15 minuites after shutting the engine off. If you leave it overnight, it'll rise about another 3/4" to 1" as oil slowly trickles out of the engine.

 

The workshop manual is worth it, but assumes you know mechanical fundamentals. Well worth the investment. Check with your local dealer or Ferrari UK (a sponsor here) to get a copy. Mine came off of eBay and I think I spend ~$70 for the book.

 

Hetek,

There is a separate wiring manual for the Mondial which may be what you need. Also, I've found that while the shop manual is helpful, the parts manual (many detailed exploded diagrams) is really the key to gaining an overall understanding of the various systems (brakes, engine/FI/ignition, wiring, etc.) I have an extra parts manual available - shoot me an email at cliffbeer@hotmail.com if interested.

Your car should't be fouling the plugs. I'd start with the warm up regulator (there is an ohms resistance test for this item), and, at the same time replace the plugs, plug wires, plug extenders and inspect the caps and rotors. Next would be to run a compression and leak down test and also monitor oil consumption - could be oil running down the valve guides or past the rings that is fouling your plugs, not an overly rich mixture.

Regarding the various warning lights, first check the fuse box - this is a notorious weak point of the Mondials with frequent corrosion causing all kinds of electrical gremlins. Next, worthwhile cleaning all the ground connections you can find in the engine bay - there are numerous, including a large engine ground - as weak or faulty ground can cause similar strange guage/light readings. Good luck and hang in there with the tinkering, take it step by step - the Mondial cab is a wonderful car!

 

Sorry, this is a Ferrari, not a Chevy. Service was intended to be done by factory trained dealer techs who just needed to look up details, not general procedures. There are only 4 or 5 Mondial manuals:

Owners
Workshop
Parts
Electrical

I believe there's a general 308 family CIS manual, but the best source of CIS info is:

Bosch Fuel Injection and Engine Management - by Charles O. Probst
Don't waste your money on:
How to Tune and Modify Bosch Fuel Injection
by Ben Watson
It's poorly written & drawings are terrible.

Also recommend:
Gasoline Fuel-Injection System K-Jetronic: Technical Instruction 96/97
by Robert Bosch Bosch used it to train dealer techs on the system.

Good intro to the K-Jet system:
http://www.auto-solve.com/mech_inj.htm

 

It sounds like your car may be running on the "limp home" mode of the FI. While the engine is running, you may want to pull electrical plug on frequency valve -- if there is no change in the sound of the car running then system is not working. If there is a change in running then system "may" be working correctly.
There must be soemthing wrong, the FI cars generally run pretty clean. The Probst book recommended by Verell is a great source.

A lot of the manuals are available for free from either Ferrari Owners site or other internet sources.

Mark

 

Any one willing to take a stab at the Maintenence light, I have the same issue.

 

No, the Mondial has more bells and whistles than a 308. There is an oil pressure guage with it's own low pressure warning light integrated into the corner of the guage. There is also a sensor on the dipstick that measures oil level. You must insert the dipstick into the engine, then connect a small connector to the top of the dipstick.

What I do not recall is if the general "oil warning" light is illuminated by both oil pressure and level, or just level. I'll check that this afternoon. Needless to say, it is most likely that you have a defective oil level sensor in the dipstick, or you do not have the dipstick connector hooked up.

Birdman

 

Reading the title of the thread got me thinking... Are the any multiple Mondial owners? It tends to be more of an introductory model that gets people into Ferrari - they seem to move around from the Mondial after having one.


Zertec is the only 2-time Mondial owner I can think of off the top of my head.

 

both T cabs..hated them, then got one and then fell in love...but then again I live in NYC and theMondial is the perfect car for my masochistic life

 

There is a slot in the warehouse reserved for a QV cab, but only after I move back stateside and buy a new house. Maybe next year unless a nice TR shows up next.

Soon...

 

I just went out to the garage and confirmed that the "engine oil" light on the center console only comes on as a function of the oil level sensor, not the oil pressure. The oil pressure warning light is completely seperate, located in the oil pressure guage.

Birdman

 

Ah, where IS this small button exactly? I had assumed (wrongly) the light was reset via the electronic diagnostic plug in the engine-bay (ie: Ferrari shop only).

Interestingly I couldn't find any ref to the console multi-warning-light unit (or any of the sensors it relies on) in any of the electrical circuit diags!

 

where IS this small button exactly?
under the hood, above the passenger footwell.

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