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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by fabbsy, Jul 15, 2004.

  1. fabbsy

    fabbsy Rookie

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    Hi all,

    I'm sorry to beat this one around but I have just purchased my V1 as I'm tired of contributing to the departments revenue fund & plan to use it in Asia/Australia.
    Apparently on the east coast of Australia (Melbourne, Sydney) the detectors are illegal, even to have sitting in the car whether on or off.
    Now the question: is there any such device that can 'detect' radar detectors or is this a well worn myth..

    Cheers
    Marc
     
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  3. 720

    720 F1 Rookie

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    not positive, but i think a radar detector is a passive device so i don't know how they could detect that you had it??
     
  4. ghost

    ghost F1 Veteran
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    Are you talking about a "radar detector" detector? :D

    If so, there's none, other than what the cop sees (or thought he saw).
     
  5. DadsFerrari

    DadsFerrari Formula 3

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    There actually is a device, its called VG2. Most new V1 have anti VG2, so if it senses it, it will shut down. How else do cops in detector illegal states catch offenders/? They do it with VG2
     
  6. 720

    720 F1 Rookie

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    you're right. i didn't know this. i went to valentine1.com and grabbed the following: (FYI, valentine1 claims their detector cannot be detected with VG2)

    go to http://valentine1.com/lab/Previously2.asp

    You still have the right to know when you're under radar surveillance almost everywhere in the US. The exceptions are Virginia, which bans detector use, and nearby Washington, D.C., which bans possession. Canada is much less friendly toward civil liberties. Detectors are banned everywhere except British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan.

    Does Valentine One have "stealth?"
    Is this the same as being VG2 proof?
    - H.C., Idaho

    The real question is, can V1 be found by an instrument called a "radar-detector detector?"

    Good radar detectors, like good AM/FM radios, are super-heterodyne receivers, and they all share a common trait. They receive, but they also transmit a signal; it's called "local oscillator emissions." This transmitted signal can be found by another radio if it's tuned to the right frequency. A radar-detector detector is merely a radio tuned to the right frequency range for most detectors.


    VG2 is the most famous of the radar-detector detectors.


    A little history: Escort was the first X-K super-heterodyne detector. Jim Jaeger and I invented it, working out of his basement in the mid-seventies. Since then, other detector makers have taken the easy way and copied Escort's frequency scheme, which means they have the same L-O frequency. So VG2 knows right where to tune for them.


    The one detector that's apart from the pack is V1. I didn't copy myself. So VG2 misses Valentine One. In our tests, Valentine One is better than all others for VG2-proofing. Our best competitors are pretty good, maybe good enough. Some others resort to a dubious strategy; they switch off their radar protection when they sense VG2 nearby.


    Recently, we've been hearing of another radar-detector detector, the Spectre RDD. Used first in Canada, enforcers of detector bans in Virginia and Washington, DC, and the nationwide ban in heavy trucks, surely have this tool on their must-have list. It claims to have been designed specifically "to detect the latest state of the art stealth-type radar warning receivers." Does it find V1? Very likely, according to reports we've been hearing from a few V1 users. One participant in an internet chat room, who claimed to be a Canadian enforcer, said "I've snagged a Valentine 1 already." We've been unable to acquire a Spectre RDD for testing. Until we can do so, be advised that no super-heterodyne receiver is perfectly undetectable, and that includes V1.
     
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  8. TimF40

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    Ckeck out:

    http://www.radar-detectors.com/support/speedlabs-2004/spectre-rdd.asp

    They did tests on when the various radar detectors were detected by the Spectre product (new generation radar detector detector).

    Bel RX65 Detected at 2185 ft.
    Cobra 9400 Detected at 1751 ft.
    Cobra 9700 Detected at 1087 ft.
    Escort 8500 X50 Detected at 2185 ft.
    PNI Silver Bullet 7500 Detected at 1582 ft.
    PNI Silver Bullet 7600 Detected at 1388 ft.
    Valentine 1 Detected at 295 ft.
    Whistler 58/73 * Detected at 547 ft.
    Whistler 3450 Detected at 649 ft.

    Tim
     
  9. DadsFerrari

    DadsFerrari Formula 3

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    Rick, were you quoting , or are you the one we should be thanking!!! I still have an old school Passport, works great! I think it only has x and k, but it's enough for around town. I need a new cord, so now I am relying on a full K40 in my daily, and a cheapo whistler I take car to car. I am amazed by the abundance of cheap ones available, they work ok, although the distance is reduced. My escort once flew out the window in a hard turn, still works!!

    I also thought the Escort was created by the guy who went independent, with the Valentine brand. Mike Valentine it says in the ads. For 400 , V1 is the best. K40 is ok, but not transportable :(
     
  10. Vyrus

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    Be aware, U.S. police may even have VG3 detectors. That is, they are one up on us. I am not sure wether Austrailians have it, but I know it is possible.
    -Cyrus
     
  11. 720

    720 F1 Rookie

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    i got all the info off the valentine1.com webwite so thank them :)
    http://valentine1.com/lab/Previously2.asp
     
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  13. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Tim:

    the Radar-detectors.com website has always been under discussion for being extremely biased...

    --Dan
     

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