Radar Detectors

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  1. Carnut

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    Okay so I was bored and decided I want to try my own radar detector test. Since I pretty much drive the same roads and go to the same places all the time, I figured I would make a great test case. So I had my old V1 updated, bought a Radenso Pro M, and a Uniden R3, and I am going to install the V1 is the 360 the Pro M in the 4C and the R3 in the Evora 400. If anyone is interested in what I determine let me know and I will post results once the cars are all back on the road starting April.
     
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  2. GameMaker

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    I'm always interested in seeing results like this. Regardless of the result I will always run a V1. I know it works "well enough" to save my ass if I pay attention.

    From a philosophical perspective I think of these detectors as an additional sense. They allow me to see into the radar spectrum. After 20+ years of using a V1 and doing a lot of driving the V1 is basically integrated into my brain like vision. Depending on what kind of beep, what the arrows are doing I can very quickly figure out of it's legit in most cases. It has definitely saved me numerous times. Remember though, nothing is perfect and the coppers have a lot of tricks up their sleeves. If you are breakin' the law prepare to pay the price on occasion.

    If you are starting with a new detector then maybe one of the other ones would be a better choice. Hence your testing can help people determine this. For me my brain is already V1 trained and I will be happy to keep buying them as long as they make them.
     
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    Regardless which radar/laser detector you select, you should augment your choice with the use of the Waze gps app. It adds information from users (actively) noting where police are located and doing speed enforcement. Useful on heavily traveled highways and roads....less so in more rural and less traveled roads, simply because of the lack of users adding information.
     
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    I’ve used a lot of detectors, but once I started using Waze, they all became superfluous.
     
  5. GameMaker

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    Waze is good but doesn't help when you are out in the boonies. I do the drive from Seattle -> San Francisco every year. HIghway 1 is pretty rural and waze is useless. On the interstate it's great.
     
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    True
     
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    Agreed and noted in my post above. But any defense must be layered, and WAZE is a useful addition to a radar/laser detector. It will only get better as more and more users sign on. When I first started using it two years ago, I noted very few users in British Columbia, Canada. Since summer 2017, I see there are many, many users now, and the information provided has become much more useful in BC.
     
  8. GameMaker

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    Yeah, we always run it when we can. I have my co-pilot (or if she's driving it's me) run the Waze setup. We also try and report stuff we see as well. I've done this trip down the coast quite a few times now and I've seen a lot of crazy stuff. I even crashed my car on highway one once (that really ruined the trip and was almost 20 years ago now).
     
  9. Carnut

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    I do use waze as well but had a situation recently that made me rethink that waze alone strategy. I like going out for drives early before the roads get crowded. We had a couple days of really nice weather last month and at 6:00 there were not enough wazers out there to give me a heads up about where the law was. Luckily the officer just gave me a nod as I flew by (probably a bit faster than the speed limit), but since I do most of my fun runs at that time I thought the radar would add to my chances of ticket free driving. I will give my feed back when all the cars are out on the road.
     
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    One other thing about Waze, is police and some other users will make up information to deter drivers. Police will report police on various roads to slow people down. Residents living along certain roads or streets will do it to slow people on their street or cause people to avoid a certain route. Waze is now trying to counter these efforts by watching users that make reports that are later shown to be "unconfirmed" by other users. If a user makes many reports that are not confirmed by other users, they will restrict or suspend their account.
     
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    Sounds like a good experiement. Keep us posted.
     
  12. Carnut

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    I will, though now the V1 is going into the 430, since I am dropping the 360 off at Agar sometime today.
     
  13. Carnut

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    Okay, here is my first report. as far as range the Radenso is the best of the three by far, the uniden and the V1 are about the same, though the Vi (even the newest version) has the most false alerts. I also put a whistler CR93 in the Porsche and for a lower priced unit is it not bad. The Radenso is the most expensive but s far at least on the highway it is the best. Going to try them in city modes next.
     
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    Nice test, keep us posted!
     
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    I have the passport max ..older version ...now it has a lot of false alerts due to lane keep tech from other cars

    Need to update either to another max 360 or based on this thread something else

    Thanks for the study ...keeps us up to date and if you have any thoughts on passport let me know as well

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    For the Waze users - is it effective in just "moving map" mode, or do you have to have a destination programmed in and be receiving directions to get the warnings about police?
     
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    I tried Waze, but it doesn’t seem popular in the UK. I rely on my Target laser jammer, awesome and has kept me out of prison, let alone free of a ticket and fine, on many an occasion.... awesome bit of kit. The cops can supposedly get you for preventing the cop in the course of his duty, but only if you admit you are running it, and I never ever tell the cops anything when stopped, so I’m hardly going to aadmit to running a jammer. All you have to do is ask if they can prove their electrical device is 100% reliable, and they already know they get a fair number of false reports and error messages, how could they prove it was done to you individually, on a one off occasion..... muppets!
     
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    You will get more advanced notice if you have a destination inputted, as that way it can anticipate your route, but I have found it still gives out useful information
     
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    When you say V1 and Uniden give out more false alerts, what types? Are they laser, or K or Ka band? Unfortunately, there is no way to filter some false alarms, because many of the newest cars use laser for their collision avoidance systems (Volvo. Mercedes and Subaru come to mind)...and K and Ka are shared with a lot of other devices. One nice thing about the V1 is you can customize the sensitivity of X, K and Ka and chose to even lock them out if you wish.
     
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    I have a couple of different brands of Radar detectors (one with a lazar jammer) for each car. I personally have found that the V1 seems to me to be the the best all around. But I am certainly interested in your test results and opinion.
     
  21. Carnut

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    It is the V1 that gives the false alerts, not the Uniden. I will try and get a better idea of what type of alerts before I post again. I had never heard of Radenso until a few months ago, and I surprised by how well it worked. It is also a very small unit, which is also a plus for me at least.
     
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    The max360 has far fewer false alerts in K band than the passport max. It has good range and also the direction indicators to give the location of the source. I use the window mount in my 488 but it doesn't work in the RR because of the windshield glass being heat insulated.
     
  23. the_stig

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    Sid, don't know if you have seen this, it was widely reported a few weeks ago. He's a nitwit for flipping off the speed cameras but the part about use of the jammer is interesting.
    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/range-rover-driver-8-months-jail-laser-jammer/
     
  24. arizonaitalian

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    Why no Escort/Passport radars? (They have been the best "all rounder" in my tests and in most all industry tests for a long while).

    I've run three at once in my CS:
    - It came with built-in K40 from a prior owner
    - I have always run V1 (20+ years)
    - I bought a Passport 9500 (newest GPS enabled tech at the time)

    Conclusion: The V1 always alerted first and had the arrows. The Passport filtered out false alarms best. So I use the V1 out of the open roads and the Passport in cities.

    Now the latest Escort's have GPS and they have arrows. My bet is the new Max360c is far and away the best overall radar detector.

    (btw - I got my V1's updated last year and they are far better at filtering out false alarms now. Good enough that I run them in cities now.)
     
  25. the_stig

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    That's the biggest issue with Waze for me. I absolutely won't try to report anything if I'm alone in the car.
    Police have been creating and using fake accounts for as long as Waze has been around claiming that Waze puts officers at risk by revealing their locations.

    Waze is also under attack because of their algorithms that route lots of traffic through residential streets that were never intended for through traffic creating problems for local government.
    https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2018/03/the-perfect-selfishness-of-mapping-apps/555683/

    Waze has also come under fire in the security industry as it can be hacked. Using "man in the middle" techniques to intercept signals the Waze app can be used to stalk individual drivers.

    Finally, Waze has also been shown to be vulnerable to "traffic bots" where it is possible for traffic jams to be created where none exist by employing swarms of ghost drivers.
     
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