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  1. TonyL

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    So is a puncture, hardly relevant. Car failures / incidents happen..bad luck!

    For me Barrichello got a raw deal at SF, MS was the chosen one..period.
     
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    Red Bull ahead of schedule with new F1 wind tunnel
    The Milton Keynes-based team currently has the oldest wind tunnel on the F1 grid

    The new wind tunnel should be operational in 2026, meaning it can be beneficial to Red Bull for its 2027 challenger.

    "Or maybe already help us later in the year [2026]," added Wache.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, their current wind tunnel dates back to WWII.:eek:
     
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    The wind tunnel has been labelled "a Cold War relic" - Evidently over 70 years old....amazing lol.
     
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  6. ktu

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    Marko advises Lawson "don't try to beat Max" Saying Lawson should be estimated 300ths slower. This sounds precalculated.
    Is this the way RB has always ran the team? My thoughts are it presets limits on the 2nd driver and the constructors battle. Just want to get you all's thoughts on this. I haven't heard this influence from Wolf or Vasseur on their drivers. Nothing indicates to me that Lawson can match Max, I just thought this was interesting.

    https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1061781/1/target-gap-red-bull-has-set-liam-lawson-max-verstappen-battle
     
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    If only Marko and Red Bull had this mentality with Gasly, Albon, or Perez (at least at the start).
     
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    Good point. But we don't know if they always had this same mentality. Does Marko have a history of favoring Max this aggressively? I know Jos was close to the team. Then you have the Riccardo departure thing that took place.
     
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    I just know Gasly and Albon got canned because they weren't close enough to Verstappen.
     
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    Hence the target specified for Lawson for 2025:

    --Red Bull expect Liam Lawson to be within three tenths of Max Verstappen throughout the 2025 F1 season.

    That is according to Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko, who has laid down the expectations for Lawson before he steps up to the Red Bull senior team in 2025.--
     
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    Nice explanation of a defining characteristic of Max' driving style/preference.

    What is a 'pointy front end' in F1? Verstappen's preference explained
    The concept of a pointy front end on an F1 car has become increasingly discussed as Max Verstappen has won consecutive world championships and a succession of his team-mates have struggled to perform in a sequence of Red Bulls that have been known for having this handling characteristic.

    But what does that actually mean?

    Well, Verstappen's preference for a pointy front end - a super-responsive one - allows him to get the car turned in quicker than if the front end was lazier or less responsive.
    This theoretically allows him to get the car pointing straighter sooner in the cornering phase, which in turn means (provided there's sufficient traction) he can get the throttle applied earlier, harder and thus accelerate quicker out of the corners.

    The penalty for that is the rear end breaking away at a potentially uncontrollable rate, but Verstappen's apparent skill is that he can live with an unbelievably nervous rear end and make it work.
    It also means that in high-speed corners, like the ones you find in sector two at Spa, he doesn't get spooked by the rear moving around, so the team can theoretically add more front wing and improve that responsiveness through the types of corners where other drivers would usually be chasing the opposite: stability at the rear in order to have the confidence to carry the necessarily high cornering speeds.

    So Verstappen will be faster than, say, former team-mate Sergio Perez through these corners because the front end isn't scrubbing speed through the corner from the tyres being slightly underloaded.
    To put it most simply, the threshold at which Verstappen senses oversteer in a car to the point of it being a problem seems to be way in excess of the point most drivers would feel that same degree of oversteer and find it a problem they cannot drive around.

    Verstappen isn't alone in having this preference. But as another former team-mate Alex Albon explains, Verstappen's able to cope with an extreme level of sensitivity.

    "I like a lot of front end and nose. I’ve been team-mates [in junior categories] with George [Russell] and Charles [Leclerc] and I’ve always had way more nose than them. Basically think front-end sensitivity. And when I got into the Red Bull … I mean there was so much nose on the thing that if you blew on the wheel the car would turn," Albon explained.

    "If you play Call of Duty, or a game like that, turn your sensitivity up to the highest it will go. That’s what it’s like to drive that car."
    https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/what-is-a-pointy-front-end-max-verstappen-f1-preference/




     
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    Polish Petroleum company Orlen will no longer sponsor the Racing Bulls team for 2025.
     
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    https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1062451/1/adrian-newey-suggests-lack-experience-led-red-bulls-dip-form

    F1 design guru Adrian Newey has suggested a “lack of experience” within Red Bull led to their dip in form last year.

    After winning seven of the opening 10 races, Red Bull won just two of the remaining 14 events.

    Max Verstappen’s brilliance ensured they claimed another drivers’ title, but they dropped behind McLaren and Ferrari in the constructors’ battle.

    Red Bull’s form dropped off, with the RB20 becoming incredibly difficult to drive.

    Not even Verstappen could salvage a big result, finishing a distant sixth at the Italian Grand Prix.

    It was a similar story in Baku, as Verstappen finished fifth - which should have been seventh had it not been for a crash between Sergio Perez and Carlos Sainz.

    Red Bull were able to cure some of their issues, but McLaren and Ferrari still often had an edge on raw performance.

    Speaking to German publication AMuS, Newey admitted he was “concerned” about the direction Red Bull were going in - but those concerns weren’t felt by everyone inside the team.

    “Obviously part of that was McLaren and Ferrari developing their cars, and doing a very good job with their cars,” Newey explained.

    “I think Red Bull from what I could see… the car already, the ’24 car and through the very last stages of ’23 I would say, started to become more difficult to drive. Max could handle that if you like, didn’t suit him, but he could handle it. Checo couldn’t. Started to see more of a difference in performance between the teammates - Max and Checo.

    “That carried into the first part of ’24 but the car was still quick enough to be able to cope with it. It’s something I was starting to become concerned about but not many other people in the organisation seemed to be very concerned about it.

    “From what I can see from the outside, but I don’t know, the guys at Red Bull - this is no criticism - they just perhaps through lack of experience kept going in that same direction. The problem came more and more acute to the point that even Max found it difficult to drive.”
     
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    Schumacher liked a pointy FE too.
     
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    F1: Max Verstappen had no role in Johnny Herbert's FIA stewards exit says Red Bull boss Christian Horner
    "You're either on the sporting regulatory side or you're on the media side," says Red Bull's Christian Horner after the FIA said Johnny Herbert would no longer serve as driver steward due to media work being "incompatible"; McLaren's Zak Brown calls for full-time paid stewards in F1

    Yet only 2 teams complained - 1 being RedBull and certainly the other was Cash Cow. Horner should just do his day job.
     
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    First Damon Hill.

    Now Johnny Herbert.

    I wonder whose next on the chopping block.
     
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    Was this last year since Dictator MBS was so 'offended' that someone wrote something. Typical snow-flake loser unable to handle critical dissent or a differing view. I wonder when he will personally be a Steward at a race. Some think F1 is 'fixed'. MBS is certainly just 'fixing' it perfectly now yes?

    --American Tim Mayer was dismissed before last year's Sao Paulo Grand Prix. He told BBC Sport the decision was made by FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem, because the Emirati "took offence" at the contents of an appeal document filed by the Circuit of the Americas (Cota), host of the US Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, with which Mayer was involved.--
     
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    Toto Wolff – the forgotten Red Bull driver!

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    Still a young hopeful, the Austrian won his category in the 1994 edition of the grueling Nürburgring 24 Hours.

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    He later veered towards the FIA GT Championship, racing a BMW all decked out in Red Bull's colors that propelled his teammates and himself to a class win in the 1000 Miles of Interlagos in 2004.

    Flanked by touring car ace Dieter Quester and Philipp Peter, Wolff also did Red Bull proud by winning the Misano 6 Hours in 2005, while the trio – joined by Hans Stuck – became the first winners of the Dubai 24 Hours race in 2006.

    Toto Wolff – the forgotten Red Bull driver!
     
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    A bit of this from the link below. To me is what is most important / interesting about Ford working with RedBull.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/story-behind-red-bull-ford-deal-formula-1/10697641/

    What is Ford actually contributing?
    The big question in those early conversations was what Ford could actually bring to the Red Bull programme other than a badge and its chequebook, and how the power unit programme would be run between the two partners, with work already well under way at the team's in-house Red Bull Powertrains division.

    My first question to Christian was ‘What are you looking for in a partner?’ and I was prepared to say what we were looking for in a partner. In the first 20 minutes of that discussion there was a very broad alignment," Rushbrook recalled. "In that first meeting we also outlined the areas where Red Bull Racing needed help with the power unit and with the racing team, and the areas where we wanted to contribute and learn. That process continues today, although the list is longer today than during those initial discussions."

    After the first meeting, the idea was that Ford would mainly help with the electrical parts of the 2026 engine, although Rushbrook emphasizes that more is happening behind the scenes. "Additive manufacturing is a good example of that. We have good resources and materials for it. That wasn't on the initial list, but it is happening now. The same goes for contributing to the internal combustion engine and the turbo. Those things weren’t on the initial list either, but there is a lot of knowledge that we have with modelling and testing that can help Red Bull."

    According to Rushbrook, it underlines that Ford isn't just in it for the marketing exposure but also for the aforementioned tech transfer to its road cars. "Our main focus is on the electrification, the battery cell chemistry, the battery pack, the motor, the inverter, but also in the controls and the software. That is a big opportunity for us."

    It's a way of working that is completely different compared to what Red Bull initially discussed with Porsche, Horner pointed out. "From the outset Mark and Jim Farley said 'You guys do Formula 1 every day. That's your bread and butter. We're not going to impose our methodology on you. You tell us, how can we help? Where can we assist?' It was very much an open book. It feels like a partnership that you're not imposing on the engineers, which sometimes happens in these relationships, and what we were fearful of in the other option we were looking at."
     
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    Jos warns Red Bull ‘it won’t be Max’s fault’ ahead of crucial F1 2025 campaign

    Jos Verstappen has warned Red Bull, should the team fail to retain the World title with Max Verstappen, not to look to the driver for blame because they are the ones that need to perform.
     
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    How can you throw the team under the bus and the season hasn't started yet?
     
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    Anyone has seen Red Bull declining in 2024, losing essential staff because of internal struggle.
    It's a valid criticism for Jos Verstappen to point it out.
     
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