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  1. Steve275

    Steve275 Formula Junior
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    Deal done, Finally done the deed.
    Today I completed the deal that has clinched me a new dream car !

    It's a 275 GTB/C, a so called "Silouhette Racer", My Brother in Law, who lives in Los Angeles, was told about the car going up for sale by chance, He's a Web Site Designer and was having a meeting when conversation swayed to car's, I got brought up and he was told about a, "275 something or other might be on the market soon because some guy needed the cash for another investment opportunity", I went to see the car a couple of weeks ago and aesthetically it's fantastic in a very usual colour.
    It's had a very colourful history, including being owned by a certain B. Ecclestone in the 90's !

    The car is not legally mine until money has changed hands and then it's being shipped from the US directly to a specialist to have some mods completed, Interior is being moded to full leather from it's current half leather combo, Filler cap will be moved to the left wing from the boot, plus some minor other stuff.
    The car cost considerably more than I had originally expected to spend, but I think it's worth it, As soon as I can I'll post some pictures when it arrives in the UK, probably Mid-May ?

    Thanks for all the help you gave me, even though I didn't end up with a GTB/4, I think you'll approve ?

    Cheers,

    Steve
     
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  3. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Congrats, my man!!! I believe the 275GTB/C is actually the rarer car.

    But aside from that, it should be great! You are aware of the special factory tour celebration for all variants of the 275 this year??? A special tour of tracks and Italian castles not normally open to the public.

    June 15 thru the 20, 2004
     
  4. sletti

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    Steve,

    Fantastic news.

    That puts your stable at 4 cars now does it not? Perhaps we should be having an Fchat meeting at your house.

    Can't wait to see some piccys. "Unusual colour" eh? Are you prepared to divulge anymore at this early stage?

    Stig
     
  5. BigTex

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    And of course, if you need a co-driver!!!!!!!! LOL
     
  6. keof50

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    first congrats on the new car, with me being new here i just wondered what others 4 cars you own are. Thanks
     
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  8. Modificata

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    Steve

    Congrats on the new purchase. You should let us know when it comes so we can all turn up at the docks to welcome it! Did you end up selling the db4?
     
  9. tonyh

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  10. 365boy

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    Well done Steve !

    Good to see at least one premier league Ferrari coming back over this side of the pond.

    Long nose or short nose...? Either way, it's an extremely rare car (only 12 and 10 built respectively, according to www.qv500.com)

    Can't wait to see it - and hear it.

    John
     
  11. Steve275

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    Here's the full & unbridged version...

    The car is Burgandy & Tan - Looks the 'Mutts Nuts' to coin a phrase...

    Features

    One of twelve 275 GTB/C lightweights built for the 1966 and 1967 race seasons. All featured a thin alloy body, dry sump with an oil filler access door on top of the wing, thin lightweight bumpers, magnesium transaxle cases, cam covers and what is essentially a 250/275 LM dry sump engine (Tipo 213 Comp.), fitted with three carbs for homologation purposes. They featured a small-tube lightweight chassis.

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    S/n 9063 GT. This car was one of the most heavily campaigned of the 275 GTB/Cs, being originally sold to Pedro Rodriguez. The car ran at Nassau in December of 1966, finishing 2nd in the Tourist Trophy race, and was then sold back to Chinetti. In 1967 it retired from the 24 hours of Daytona with Salas and Rebaque as drivers. In 1969 Sam Posey and Pedro Rodriguez drove this car to 23rd overall at Daytona. In 1970 Harley Cluxton and Gordon Tatum DNF at Daytona. This car then became a successful SCCA racer, racing up to 1975!

    To Rodriguez (MEX), through Chinetti.

    1966, 08 Dec., the Nassau Tourist Trophy Race, originally scheduled for 25 Nov., 1966, were held late because of shipping problems. Many cars did not arrive in the Bahamas in time for the scheduled Nassau Tourist Trophy Race so that race was postponed. It was then run concurrently with the Governor's Trophy Race.

    Rodriguez finished 6th overall in the combined Governor's Trophy/Tourist Trophy Race. Rodriguez also finished second in the separate Tourist Trophy Race classification.

    To Chinetti (USA)

    To Dr. Gerardi (USA))

    1970, to Harley Cluxton (Chicago USA)

    1970, to Peter Johantgen (Colorado, USA) Peter had the car driven by Danny Collins in SCCA & local races.

    1976-80 Ferrari Owner's Club Roster, listed by Tex Arnold, Aurora, Colorado. (USA). Edwin (Tex) Arnold then raced 9063 in SCCA A-Production in Texas in 1976.

    To Steven Stephner (USA)

    To FAF Motorcars (Atlanta, USA)

    To Dr. Ron Finger (Savannah, USA)

    To Joe Marchetti (Chicago, USA)

    1992, to Al Obrist (Switzerland)

    To Bernie Eccelstone (GB)

    1999, 25 Aug., as per long talk with a client, the McCaw brothers have just bought 9063 GT and 7437 GT from Obrist for a very substantial sum, and will be soon selling s/n 9007 for some reason!

    2000, 10-15 April, Tour Auto, McCaw-McCaw.

    2000, 17 August, Brooks Quail Lodge. Not sold at $980,000.

    2001, 20 November, US Buyer for $1.15M.

    2004, 09 February, UK Buyer for undisclosed amount.

    As per Sports Car Market review:

    Burgundy (Marrone) / Beige VM 3218 Leather & Cloth, LHD. Odometer: 26,800 kms. 5-speed manual. Borrani wire wheels. A superbly restored competition 275 with significant history. Pristine condition, factory roll bar is standard. Ex-Pedro Rodriguez. Cond: 2+. Not sold at $980,000. This 275 was superb, but Brooks had estimated it at $1.2M to $1.5M and the last few known sales of this type tended to be at the $1M level or just below. The crowd seemed to want this car at the same level and refused efforts to kick it up a notch.

    2001, Cavallino Classic Shell Historic Challenge. Driven (very well) by Dominic Dobson.

    2001, 10 March, at RM Amelia Island auction. Per catalog: Mexico's Rodriguez brothers, Ricardo and Pedro, were racer wonder-kids in the Sixties. Sons of an ambitious father who had built a fortune in Mexico, their toys were Porsches and Ferraris and they proved worthy of driving the best of them. Ricardo, the younger by two years, stepped into Formula 1 at the age of 19 years, 6 months and 7 days at the wheel of a Ferrari in the cradle of Italian Motorsport: Monza. He qualified it second. While their father's money might buy rides, only talent could buy (great writing) the exceptional results of Pedro and Ricardo Rodriguez.

    Pedro, two years older, shared many epic drives with his little brother. Known for their co-drives, the brothers Rodriguez frequently competed against each other in storied contests and if Ricardo was more often the faster, Pedro was more often the finisher.

    Senor Rodriguez could afford the best for his boys. The best came from Maranello and Luigi Chinetti's NART was the conduit through which many of Ferrari's best cars flowed out to the world. Testarossa, Dino, GTO and others migrated from the Scuderia to NART. Perhaps to stimulate the interest of potential buyers, NART frequently demonstrated their prowess in a race or two, often with a Rodriguez behind the wheel. At important events NART fielded its best cars and drivers. The audience was right for attracting both paid and paying drivers and for promoting the attributes and availability of the cars to well-heeled racers.

    Nassau in the Sixties was one such event. Promoted by the legendary Capt. Sherman F. Cruise (known universally as "Red") Nassau was known to be a party punctuated by a few races, but it attracted the best teams, cars and rivers. Spectators were few and far between. This was the racers' Speed Week and they gathered in Nassau to sip, slip and slide around its sandy runways and abundant watering holes among a comprehensive sampling of their brethren.

    It was in this star-studded enclave that the car offered here made its debut in the talented hands of Pedro Rodriguez. Ferrari had introduced the 275 GTB in 1964. Its Colombo-based V12 now displaced 3.3 litres. Its suspension derived from Ferrari's recent racing experience with the 250 LM, employing independent rear suspension and a transaxle for better road holding and balance, the first road Ferrari to feature IRS Ferrari's race car development was now being focused, forced both by competition and by regulations, onto single purpose sports-racers but the 275 GTB's combination of performance and handling commended it to GT competitions. The series was offered from inception with the buyer's choice of steel or lightweight aluminum coachwork. In both cases bodies were supplied by Scaglietti to an aggressive yet gracefully curvaceous design by PF. The single cam V12 was homologated with three dual-throat downdraft Webers 40DCZ6 carburetors and was noted for its smooth power delivery and broad usable torque band. This was really the last Ferrari street car that could be driven to the track and then raced with reasonable prospects of a competitive performance and Ferrari drivers did so in some numbers and with success.

    Always ready to capitalize on a niche, and bedevil the technical inspectors of the FIA. Ferrari created a six-carb version of the 275 GTB with 20 more hp that was even more effective but often raced in the Prototype class when event scrutineers realized the 6 Webers, so familiar on Ferrari's sports-racers, weren't homologated on the Berlinettas. But competitors were nipping at Ferrari's GT heels so in 1965 a true competition Berlinetta was created with three Weber induction, meeting the letter of the 275 GTB's homologation. It was designated 275 GTB/C ("Competizione"), with GTO-like nose that marked its departure from the production 275 GTB’s. Prepared for Le Mans in 1965, Ferrari's competition challenged the car's homologation, but it was approved just before the race, justifying Ferrari's efforts with a sterling finish, 3rd overall and 1st in GT driven by Willy Mairesse and later won the 1965 Nassau TT with Charlie Kolb.

    A short run of similar cars followed, sporting the standard 275 GTB nose which had been subtly lengthened to eliminate lift at high speed. The first series of 275 GTB/C's had wet sump engine and were more modified alloy body production 275s than racing specials.

    That was not to be the case in 1966 when the success of the first series of 275 GTB/Cs led Ferrari to conceive and produce a second series in 1966. Only a dozen of these 2nd series 275 GTB/Cs were built. Like other cars being built, developed, designed or conceived in the backrooms of GM, Ford and Porsche, the second series of 275 GTB/Cs were pure race cars that borrowed some parts and styling from standard production cars.

    The 275 GTB/C's type 213/comp 3.3 litre engines used three Weber carbs and there the similarity to the type 213 engines in the road 275 GTB’s ended. In fact, the 275 GTB/Cs engine was more similar to the 275 LM engines than to the regular type 213 engines. Dry sump lubrication with 22-quart capacity and a massive oil cooler ensured reliable operation. Forged 9.3:1 compression pistons operated a competition crankshaft through special connecting rods. Type 130 competition camshafts operated high temp. Steel valves through needle bearing rocker arms as fitted to the 250 GTO and 275 LM. There may have been only three carbs but they were special 40 DFI3s to cope with the engine's deeper breathing and higher revs. Wherever possible, engine components including the valve and camshaft drive chain covers and the bell housing, were cast from magnesium alloy. The factory claimed 320 hp from this passionate and powerful heart; probably about he same relationship to true power as Chevy's 1967 claim of 425 hp from its 500 hp L88 corvette.

    The lightweight chassis was specially built in Ferrari's racing department and given its own designation. Type 509A. While the "A" is most likely an alphabetic variant, it could equally be the Italian "Alleggerita", for these affairs were most seriously "lightweight". Constructed of the lightest practical tubing but stiffer in torsion than the production 275 GTB, the elimination of unnecessary mass throughout the chassis was comprehensive. Bodies too, were greatly hammered from aluminum even thinner than that used on the legendary 250 GTO and sported larger and wider wheel arches to accommodate wider wheels and tires. The gearbox and drive train are special, retaining the open driveshaft of early 275 GTB’s, albeit with constant velocity universal joints, for easier inspection and service.

    Weighing 300 pounds less than standard aluminum-bodied 275 GTB’s, the GTB/C's designers and builders had achieved their objective. The performance of these powerful, well-balanced and lightweight racers is scintillating and comparable with that of the 250 GTO. In these twelve exotic GT's almost silhouette racers, Ferrari created one of the marque's rarest variants. It is only this second series that carries the 275 GTB/C designation on their chassis id plates.

    Rodriguez found himself driving 09063's debut at Nassau in a race, which combined the Governor's Cup modified cars with the Tourist Trophy production-based cars because of a delay in some of the car's arrival in the Bahamas. Despite competition from the likes of Ferrari sports racers and American Can-Am specials like the Chaparrals the brilliant Pedro Rodriguez showed both his ability and his 275 GTB/C's pace by finishing second in the Tourist Trophy and sixth overall, a remarkable accomplishment among such a star-studded entry of cars and drivers. However, even recognizing Pedro Rodriguez's talent, his ability to master 09063 without practice or familiarization is both a testament to the potential of the 275 GTB/C and an example of the balanced and predictable performance that makes the 275 GTB/C an ideal historic racer.

    Following Pedro Rodriquez's demonstration of 9063's capability at Nassau, Luigi Chinetti sold 9063 to one of his established clients, Ennio Gerardi, who retained it for three years without exploiting its proven competition potential. In 1970, however, 9063 passed to Harley Cluxton who quickly entered the now w-year old GT in the 1970 Continental with Gordon Tatum co-driving, classified 23rd at the finish. Cluxton's subsequent entry in the 1970 Sebring 12 Hours with co-driver Dr. Wilbur Pickett was frustrated by a piston failure in practice. After Harley Cluxton's ownership 9063 passed to Peter Johanigen who entered it twice in CA regional events with Danny Collins driving, then Edwin (Tex) Arnold who raced 9063 in SCCA A-Production in Texas in 1976. Arnold's A-Production history is all the more remarkable in that it was a full ten yeas after 9063's Nassau debut, further attesting to the competitiveness of the 275 GTB/C when it was a frontline GT competition machine, as well as the flexibility of SCCA's "production" classifications.

    From Arnold 09063 passed to Steven Stephner, then to FAF Motorcars who completed the restoration begun by Arnold after which it was acquired by Dr. Ron Finger of Savannah, GA. In 1992 09063 was bought by premier Ferrari collector Albert Obrist to join his superb collection. After restoration by Michelotto and Cognolato in Italy, 09063 passed to F1 supremo Bernie Eccelstone when he acquired Obrist's collection, then to the most important collection of Ferraris in the US, its current owner, in 1999.

    Meticulously presented in its original eggplant livery with outside laced Borrani wire wheels and dry sump 320+ hp 2-cam engine, 09063 is one of only twelve second series 275 GTB/Cs, among the most rare and highest performance examples of Ferrari's fabled high performance Gran Turismo. Perhaps unique even in this rarified stratum of racing Ferraris, 09063 sports a factory installed six Weber carb intake. It has a unique connection with Pedro Rodriguez, one of the most talented drivers of the Sixties, and the legendary NART. It is a machine that will reward its new owner with exceptional performance, beauty and history, just as it did its present owner at the January 2001 Cavallino Shell Historic Ferrari Challenge where it won its class. Hammered sold at $1 million plus commission.

    The buyer is a client of M. Sheehan.

    As per Sports Car Market review, Cond: 1. Sold at $1.1 million. Consigned by West Coast reader, this was the first of several cars to crack the million-buck mark at this auction. Price was market correct, and about the same money the car was bought for a few years ago. Bought by another subscriber.

    2001, 11 June, seen by Jarrett Rothmeier at Symbolic's workshop.

    2001, 2 Sept., as per e-mail from client/owner to M. Sheehan.

    On GTB/C we are asking a fair market price. Please advise if your buyer/client is serious.

    2001, 12 Oct., M. Sheehan met with a buyer/client at a popular café for lunch re: this car.

    2001, late October, as per our various conversations with client, since we seem to be getting no-where with car “A”, its time to Make a run at 275 GTB/C s/n 9063.

    2001, 30 Oct., drove (buyer) client to (seller/client) owner’s home and inspected the car in detail. Buyer went for a long ride with the seller. Buyer said might be a buyer and an offer was made.

    2001, 31 Oct., Counter offer made by seller.

    2001, 12 Nov., e-mail from buyer/client; Subject: # 9063GT, counter-counter offer made.

    2001, 20 Nov., Deal done.

    2004, 16 Feb., UK Buyer drove car, read vehicle history and car inspected by professional UK mechanic.

    2004, 18 Feb., UK Buyer made offer to US Seller, Seller rejected offer.

    2004, 19 Feb., UK Buyer made new offer to Seller, Seller accepts revised offer, contracts drawn up.

    2004, 09 Mar., Contract’s signed, financial transfer organised.

    2004, 11 Mar., Deal should be done. (Ship date TBA).

    I'll keep you all posted.

    Steve
     
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  13. ferrari355gtb

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    Oh no - that has to be the most beautiful car I have ever seen. Fantastic history. I bet you're feeling out of this world. Brilliant.
     
  14. tonyh

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    Fantastic......can't wait to see it , hint hint !
    Tony
     
  15. ric355

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    What a stunning car. Congrats on your purchase Steve. I second Tony's hint.

    Meanwhile, you got a mention over on the general board...

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10659

    My favourite bit is the letter from the Nigerian prince (especially his name)...

    Richard.
     
  16. sletti

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    Steve,

    WOW!

    How long do you have to wait, and do you anticipate showing at the FOC concourse in July, as I'm sure we would all come and kneel before this wonder?

    Stig
     
  17. matkat

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    Steve,all I can say is congratulations,and it is gorgeous.
    Dave Mc
     
  18. jenzo

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    What a beauty.......
     
  19. BigTex

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    You should definately do the 275 Festival. Congrats.
     
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    Steve,

    what fantastic news and what a gorgeous piece of history you have just bought !!!

    Its been great to have a "look in" at the decision making process over the last few months and I must say that I really think you played your cards perfectly. Firstly to decide to keep the 288 vs the AM was in my eyes the best option (but I am biassed to the marque). You also rejected some cars from Europe but finally pounced on the US just as the $ /£ reached 1.9 and you grabbed something that may have been out of the radar screen otherwise ( I hope you got £ for your AM).

    Again congratulations and thanks for letting us share in the experince. I hope you're not too mileage sensitive 'cause there's a long list of members dreaming of a ride (me included) when you take her out to play.

    Philip
     
  21. Badapple

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    Totally stunning!
    Love that colour
     
  22. davidgt4

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    A real dream car Steve!

    Funnily enough only hours before reading your post I was looking at the ad in this month's Classic & Sportscar for 275 GTB/C no. 07437GT. This is a '65 car and it is interesting to read the model history you quoted - the one in C&SC is obviously one of the first series.

    Like others I look forward to seeing it in the flesh one day.....
     
  23. hedge

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    Amazing car. Congratulations Steve..what a problem you will have deciding which one to take on the Swiss rally!
     
  24. MOD500

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    Congratulations Steve!

    Looks a wonderful car.

    Best Regards

    MOD.
     
  25. 365boy

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    ".................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................."

    (This is the sound of me being speechless)....

    Well done - to say the least. Please let's see it at Heythrop Park.

    John
     
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    Steve,

    There is the old cliché that you don't own a thing of beauty, you simply look after it for the next generation. Well I just wanted to offer you my congratulations and heart-felt thanks and respect, for owning and preserving for the future such a beautiful car. I can't believe from the photos how the interior and engine bay just look like it rolled out of the factory (sorry, handcrafting workshop) a few days ago. Simply stunning. I've always loved any of the 275 models (very much the E-type of Ferrari at the time in beauty of design), and especially that you have to struggle to find any straight lines on the car, as everything is a lovely curve whilst the whole is an amazing blend of curves in the three dimensions. Not to mention that steering wheel and those clocks, and all this can be appreciated before even firing up the engine!

    Well done and thanks from all Ferrari lovers everywhere, I'm sure.

    James.
     
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