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Servicing a low-mileage 612 that's been sitting for 9 years.

Discussion in '612/599' started by Peter.A, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. Peter.A

    Peter.A Rookie

    Dec 10, 2019
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    Dear Community, I am soon to be a 612 owner seeking advice on my purchase.
    My good friend is selling his absolutely gorgeous 2006 Ferrari 612 with HGTC package, CCM brakes in TDF Blue with Cuoio Daytona seats. The car covered just 20'000 km.

    The only problem is - the car sat for 9 years at his holiday home with no servicing and just occasional drives to the country club (9'000 km since last service in the service book).

    Could you please advice me on what needs to be done to this car? Should I stay away from this car?

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    The lack of service may not be an issue except to a future owner but the lack of use could cause problems from dried out seals etc

    It needs a major major service and to be honest a really thoro' inspection before purchase by a main dealer so you know any current issues

    Having said that if the last service was 9 or 10 years ago then just under 1000 km a year is more than too many cars get used

    If its been in a warm climate no doubt there's sticky buttons and possibly dash shrink too

    You may be eligible for one more year of official Ferrari warranty for a little extra peace of mind

    Oh and the tires are probably time expired & dangerous
     
  3. 360Marnix

    360Marnix Formula Junior

    Jan 4, 2017
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    I think you should start with a major service with all fluids, filters, driving belts, cam belts, battery, tpms sensors, tires etc. €10-12k will be first.

    The first year you will probably have some issues but you will have a fantastic car in a stunning combination.
     
  4. donv

    donv F1 World Champ
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    @360Marnix is right about that. However, I would say if it has been driven regularly, even though not serviced, that's a good sign. The service intervals (by mileage) on the 612 are very long-- this car probably hasn't exceeded any of them. We all know that time is a factor too, though.
     
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  5. Peter.A

    Peter.A Rookie

    Dec 10, 2019
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    Thanks for your prompt input guys, greatly appreciated! I will update you if I buy the car and what the dealer will quote.
     
  6. Peter.A

    Peter.A Rookie

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    The combination is what I love the most about this car. I am also quite concerned about the clutch (if needs replacing). Do you know how much this job costs and how long do the pre-2008 clutches last on 612s (if driven normally, mostly highways)?

    Thanks again!
     
  7. m5shiv

    m5shiv Formula Junior

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    The dealer can read the clutch life setting.
     
  8. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    On the 612, you can actually visually check clutch wear through a port using the throw-out bearing pin as a reference. Competent techs will know how to do that.

    Change all the fluids, filters, cambelts, tensioners, aux belts, and tires as noted above, likely also including the AC refrigerant and dryer/receiver/filter. Hopefully you got a good deal on her and that means you will not take too big a hit overall on the first service. She probably needs a new AGM battery, too. The newer TPMS sensors last quite a while, but if getting new tires....

    Post photos, she sounds really nice and HGTC was not all that common.
     
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  9. Peter.A

    Peter.A Rookie

    Dec 10, 2019
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    We agreed on 72'000 eur as it is, expecting something around 10k for all the works or am I being too optimistic?
     
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  10. m5shiv

    m5shiv Formula Junior

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    It's fine
     
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  11. 360Marnix

    360Marnix Formula Junior

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    Sounds fair for a HGTC
     
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  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Good price and 10,000 eu sounds about right for getting her back on the road, including tires.
     
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  13. Nospinzone

    Nospinzone F1 Rookie

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    I respectfully disagree with the others, double that amount. Think of it as if you were doing major renovations on a house ...... it takes twice as long and costs twice as much. You are basing that estimate on the problems you can see. ;)
     
  14. Themaven

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    I think Paul is right, depending on who is doing the work..I can’t see you walking away from the likes of Scuderia MC with less than a €15k euro bill, and probably €20k. If it’s a local independent mechanic you trust, then much less.

    sounds like a lovely car - beautiful spec. But not all purchases from friends are cheap! Sometimes you don’t want to ask the awkward questions you would otherwise.
     
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  15. m5shiv

    m5shiv Formula Junior

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    I just spent 13K USD on a major service at my local independent. Timing belts, coolant hoses, water pump, vacuum hoses, tpms, power steering reservoir and hoses, plugs, injector orings, plugs, broken plastic bits here and there. I agree that prices would be much higher in Europe so I'm being optimistic too.
     
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  16. 360Marnix

    360Marnix Formula Junior

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    Tires, €3000
    All filters €1200
    Fluids €800
    Tmps sensors €360
    Wipers €80
    Ac system check & refill €220
    Labour €120/hour.
    All belts incl bearings €750
    Labour for all this (€120/hour) €4000
    Total €10k will do.
    + 20% "unexpected" makes €12k


    Clutch: probably not needed
    Brakes: CCM, so with this mileage not needed
     
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  17. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Trying to confuse us with facts, eh? Sounds about right to me, like it did from the start.
     
  18. jochem00

    jochem00 Formula Junior

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    A regular service incl cambelts is 1500 euros at the official Ferrari dealer.
    Remember that 15+ year old cars get cheaper hourly rates at the official Ferrari dealer.
    Tires you can get in Cap d’Ail for 1000 euros.
     
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  19. Larsoni

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    FWIW...expect the unexpected. After more than 50 years driving Alfas (can anyone relate to fuel pump failure in the Holland Tunnel?) I grabbed a 2005 612 with 5k miles. Around Macon, GA driving North from Fla. the mirror knob came off in my hand and the mirrors folded in as the driver's side window switches began to malfunction. Was I surprised at any of this? How about the time the steering box on my wonderful 1972 Alfa GTV disintegrated? That car and my 1961 Giulietta Spyder are like first love you wish you'd kept. So, the current hi-priced Babe is nick-named "Inge" after the car color "grigio Ingrid" (interesting story) and her upcoming costs, expected or not, will be no surprise. Ferrari ownership: pinch a penny? Impossible.
     
  20. Peter.A

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    Dec 10, 2019
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    To my surprise Ferrari quoted just under 6000 EUR for fluids, filters, driving belts, cam belts and a new battery.. Will update you guys on my progress with a car. Taking it for a PPI on Monday.
     
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  21. m5shiv

    m5shiv Formula Junior

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    Peter, you need to have them remove the intake plenum and replace the hoses, especially the 180 degree hose. Otherwise you will be sad. Please see my posts on my coolant hose saga. This is a common issue on the 612, that is not present on the 550/575.
     
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  22. m5shiv

    m5shiv Formula Junior

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    Also, we need pictures !
     
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  23. Themaven

    Themaven F1 Rookie
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    Plan for the worst, hope for the best..hopefully they won't find anything else expensive in there. At least it's a PPI and not a Post PI. Hopefully there won't be any unexpected surprises at the PPI..though Ferraris are good at those. It does sound like a lovely car.
     
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  24. Peter.A

    Peter.A Rookie

    Dec 10, 2019
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    Update.

    I just got some upsetting news from the dealer.. The car suffered minor flood damage being parked at my "friend's" waterfront property, which he failed to mention. Moving forwards, thanks for all your input.

    DM me if you would like to see pictures/PPI results, the car is still for sale, but requires 18'000 eur to get it sorted.
     
  25. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    They are definitely not waterproof. Tough luck, but chasing electrical gremlins on her could be really frustrating and expensive.
     
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