SF 90 stradale replacement ?

I really don’t think I want a full electric car - I’m from the generation that grew up loving the way a car sounds. If I never heard the scream of a Ferrari or lambo I would be very much inclined to drive a battery powered refrigerator. And WRT to the plaid, my sf90 doesn’t need 8-15 mins to get ready for a launch.

 

yes, but no one care about it (for a general audience/youtuber viewer I mean). When someone talk about "speed" and watch a random dude that "play dumb on the street" with a supercar usually see a dude that go fast on the straight to show how powerful the car is, and the s90 will lost basically always in that scenario. Apart from that is more "noticeable" a Ferrari that cornering better than a 5doors sedan or a 5 doors sedan (that cost 1/4 or so) that will beat the best of the best of Ferrari in acceleration and without any heavy tuning? What people say nowdays is "oohhh, watch that Tesla kick Ferrari ass LMAO" ...

 

it's only a question of time before all Ferrari's cars will be electric (due to legislative impositions). But I will ask you a question: in the future you will buy an electric Ferrari with an engine not made by the Ferrari? (regardless the fact that most of you hate the electric I mean) because as far as you can read here and there Ferrari already talk about external collaborations...and YASA (the supplier of the e-engines of the sf90 and 296) it was acquired by Mercedes...
I can't think of a Ferrari with a heart not designed and built in house...:/

 

An all-electric Ferrari would be like a digital Patek Philippe, or an oil-painted Da Vinci replaced with a digital photograph of the same scene.
Certain products are not just products, but works of art, and their value is linked to their characteristics that made them unique.
Hybrid is 'acceptable', because the engine, the heart of the car is still there, but with assistance.
A 100% electric, in turn, is soulless. A battery in place of the engine. A mess.

 

soulless cars are the future, even if we don't like it. But I repeat the question: a Ferrari with an engine designed and builded by a supplier is still a Ferrari?

 

You've asked a philosophical question and to be honest only time will tell. If the engine is supplied by other than Ferrari, I would think that it should still evoke that emotional Ferrari feeling that we all know and love. If it can not, then it maybe game over for me at least. This is why I have decided to keep my 458, Pista and GTS despite what is being forced upon us.

 

It lost in that particular case, but comparing their cumulative test they are basically equal to the quarter mile (1-2 tenths here or there), but the Ferrari pulls harder at higher speeds (above 120 mph).


You are right about the danger of losing its soul though, going full electric. If that happens, there won't be the engine that defines Ferraris. They will have to compensate with chassis development, or some trickery to make the motors perform like ICEs.

 

Then Ferrari becomes every other EV producer, they become coach builder only, I think there is no future for this. Everyone is a coach builder, using the same "Rimac" powertrain or other "generic" producer. All 2300+kg sleds.

Apparently, any EV-only will be Ferrari in name only, no connection to the spirit that made them great...

And, I think you mean "because" of what is being forced upon us (rather than despite)

 

I think it’s morphing into a luxury brand. SUVs, high fashion garments along with some very exotic looking EVs and track-only petrol cars. I predict that more affordable FXX style cars will be an increasing part of their business which coincides nicely with the rise of private member club tracks.

The Ferrari of the future will be fulfilling very different needs than today’s (and not by choice).

 

Great observations

But, they did bring in a CEO who is versed in electronics, instead of luxury products (or petrol engines...). I think their idea is he will be the new "Michael Leiters" of future full EV Ferrari's, designing electric motors, batteries, etc, but, they are way behind Rimac (the apparent world leader), way behind.

Without the continual development of road-legal engines for petrol cars, I am concerned the research, funding and ability will make track-only cars a beneficial revenue stream seems unlikely with so few cars per year being produced. The recent track-only Ferraris are not orderable on-demand but in set quantities with specific qualifications, ...and include full trackside support to keep them running...Lamborghini is currently trying this (track-only), but, Ferrari is not really going this direction at this time...

Such a muddled up business this is being forced to become.

What happens when full EVs are hard to produce due to raw supply constraints, or, more importantly, impossible electric grid demands that make charging impossible or highly restricted. For example, UK is set to enforce no charging during peak times, starting May 30, 2022:
https://insideevs.com/news/537120/ev-chargers-switched-off-uk/amp/

 

Ferrari is requesting small manufacturer exemption to the stricter emissions regulations along with Lamborghini with the Italian Government - 1 possibility to keep ICE engines longer, but they will still run into issues with other countries regulations outside of the EU.

Another possibility is the exploration of alternative fuels - who knows with that one.

Either way, the top brass in Maranello is not just throwing their hands up in defeat if EV’s are the only path forward. They will come up with appealing aspects to attract our dollars. However, it does pose an interesting question, if the performance of a Ferrari EV is theoretically no different than a Tesla, Honda, Toyota etc. is the value proposition to own the badge as appealing. Time will tell.

 

Unfortunately, so called 'carbon neutral' fuels will never been manufactured at volumes sufficient to replace existing petroleum production for road use (for track use, is possible, but, will be extremely expensive). So, it would seem impossible to rely on such fuel for any 'regulation exclusion'. Not only that, but, EU regulations (Euro 7) intend to regulate particulate matter to such a fine degree that even so called 'carbon neutral' fuels will be an ineffective solution (as in zero emissions of any kind other than oxygen and water will be allowed, no nitrogen, ammonia, etc).

Italy's request to the EU will likely go nowhere, as Germany has immense control of the EU's direction and unless Germany requests such an exclusion (for an industry they have no need to protect..Italy's SVMs such as Ferrari, Pagini, etc). The Czech Republic is also requesting exclusions.

 

yes, but this is a direct comparison, same day, same track condition, so plaid>sf90 in terms of pure acceleration

I was not referring to the "loss of the soul" due to the use of the electric motor, but due to the fact that they do not design and build it in house... A Ferrari without a heart designed by them (whether it is an ICE or electric) is not a Ferrari imho.

 

Well, now that those two aforementioned possibilities are nearly non existent (Very informative reply above), back to electric Ferrari’s - I too am intrigued as to how they will create the same level of emotion without any ICE and only batteries. That may be the end of the road for me buying the new ones.

 

If this is true there will be no more Berlinetta v8 in the Ferrari range.
I agree with your reasoning, however it seems strange to me that Ferrari leaves only the 296 on the list.
Anyway in June 2022 we will see industrial plans for the next 5 years.

 

ah ah ah ah ah..perhaps they could remove 200kg so you could define sports car...(I'm kidding)
Anyway, I don't understand all this excitement about drag racing.
the great thing about having sports cars is driving them on circuits or mountain roads.

 

On that occasion and up to 402 metres, yes. I was talking about the bigger picture though.

Even if the built the electric motors themselves, it wouldn't be the same.

 

still better than a kick in the gums

 

An electric motor will never be a V12, or even a V8, but I hope Ferrari can make a difference.

 

My prediction…4 power train segments
V6 Hybrid Line: 296GTB, Pursangue, Roma/Porto M replacements
V8 Hybrid Line: SF90, front mounted/mid engine GT car to come
V12 Line - only Icona Series cars (small production exemption) Euro 7 Regs end it eventually
EV Line: new car to be introduced, will also electrify the Pursangue model

My point being, I think they are more likely to introduce a new EV platform rather than electrify existing models other than the Pursangue. Just my prediction.

 

Since we already know that there will be an 812 successor with a V12, this assumption is already outdated.

 

Ferrari have already confirmed their interest in alternative fuels several times and explicitly mentioned they will look into the development or usage of such fuels in the future. Don't forget that many countries such has Brazil are using E85 as widely spread fuel for quite some time. Just one example of an alternative fuel.

 

An interesting question that can be asked is when the new V12 will enter production and which car will it equip first?
Purosangue? F167? Laferrari replacement?

 

My guess would be Purosangue first. It's the only car we've already seen out testing so far and is said to be unveiled next year.

 

Contrary to rumours, I doubt that the Purosangue will get a V12. It makes no sense from an emissions point of view, unless it is a very limited production model.