SF90 v 296

If you go back and read the copious amount of posts on fchat about when criticizing other cars you hear about excessive weight, AWD, no sound, no emotion, hybrid, etc. Who cares about straight line speed was mentioned numerous times when the 720 came out and crushed everything. Now it is embraced. There's nothing wrong with the SF90 if that's what you want, I am just laughing at the hypocrisy.

 

Embraced by some…

 

3 types of lies- lies- big lies and statistics. 90 % of the posts on all super car forums, but most pernicious and biased is here on F Chat. The indoctrinated to the Ferrari cult will justify, vindicate and excuse any negativity directed at the brand. Impartiality is one of the rarest of human traits, and certainly exemplifies the virtual absence of objectivity endemic to Ferrari owners. Gh stated well this pervasive hypocrisy extant on this forum and the dearth of objectivity which only results in impeding continual progress in creating cars that excite and inspire.

 

The 911 comes in different guises, I should've been clearer on the model designation but I assumed that it was implied, I wanted to emphasize and simplify the positioning of the models, what a 911 Turbo is to a 918 that's what a 296 is to a SF90.

In terms of their performance I wouldn't place a Turbo 992 too far from a 296, the Turbo Hybrid which will come after 992 will be on par or above the 296, the SF90 is in a completely different league of performance.

Anyway that's my opinion.

 

Just to be clear, the steering wheel itself of the Ferrari (particularly F8/812) is the best in the business. By far. But the feel and feedback of a Mclaren is far superior. I’m not sure where/how it can be suggested otherwise. We’re talking a hydraulic rack Vs electric. There’s not much more to it.

 

100% but it is also supported by poor journalist reviews bought and paid for.
People put down Lambo Mac - it didn't end well for those who spoke.
The owners who share experiences are the best sources - it's why some forums are worth their weight in gold and others worthless. Ordered SF90 812 Spiders - no one needs these cars but why wouldn't someone want an exotic sports car roadster.

 

I doubt that any of us using a 296 or SF90 on the road would truly notice the difference in power or performance between the two--consequently this is mostly a moot point.

 

Completly disagree. I have about 1500km tracktime on my Sf90 AF and about 2500km tracktime on my 765lt, mostly on classic flat tracks, not Nordschleife.

The steering feedback of the 765lt is for my taste something of the best i ever expirienced on a modern sportcar. The electro hydraulic steering with its steering ratio makes this car so precised and comunicativ to navigate.
You may critic a lot on the 765lt but the feedback of its steering is a completly wrong aproach.

 

I think that very much depends on where you live and drive. I know a few gems in northern Europe where conditions are such that you can spend a day running speeds between 150 and 250 kph more or less constantly in a 488. Therese are not motorways or autobahn roads, and because you get into those speeds, then you really start to feel the difference. You won't between say 60 and 120 kph normally between two rwd cars because the will be on the slip limit a lot of the time, but when you start to drive fast, you will notice it. Also, because ofcthe front drive assist, the power gets more accessible, and thus the difference in power will not only be noticable at high speeds but also at low speeds because of the added grip. From a pure speed perception, I suspect the SDlF90 would feel less mindblowing if it was only rwd, but it would probably feel more wild and scary.

Now take that power to the autobahn and conditions that would allow you to reach say290 in an F8, or 310 in a 296, could be conditions that allowed for 340 in the SF90. I use thecl autobahn analogy because what speed you reach there is often very much dependent on how much time you have for keeping your foot in it and how quickly you accelerate.

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Il Co- I suspect that you have never driven the 765 and hope you haven’t since your comment about the steering feedback, precision and overall feel is polar opposite to reality. In concert with every 765 owner, the steering is an absolute masterpiece of execution and is a singular achievement in the realm of super cars.

 

Il Co - in Oct/ 21 you mentioned you were in the process of purchasing a 765LT Spider. What happened?

 

Damn Coincid. Didn't know that me not being as impressed with you pride and joy, would matter so much to you.

Suspect what you like. I have driven it on several occassions. I have also driven the 720s, Senna and GT4. I suspect that's more than you.
I will make sure to make it a point to take a few photos for you next time I get a chance.

Here's a bit of GT4 drifting for ya for now.

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Backed out. Wanted something else.

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Isn't the steering on McLarens hydraulic and not electric ?

 

I could be wrong, but I was told it was electro-assisted. I may be wrong. Does not change the fact that I don't feel it gives me the same feedback as a Pista or F8. That's just my experience.

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Hydraulic ( electro assist). Owned the F8, drove the Pista. The steering feel on both are adequate and without severe deficiency, until you drive the 765. I have yet to read or hear from a reviewer, owner or driver of the 765 who has not be unanimously amazed at the intimate feedback, precision, and connectivity to the driver of the steering. Il Co's assessment is so off the mark, that his credibility would be better served if he simply admitted he has never driven the 765.

 

Regarding the McLaren 765, direct from the manufacturer:

https://cars.mclaren.com/us-en/super-series/765lt/engagement

The trademark McLaren electro-hydraulic steering is sensitive and full of feel because of a quicker rack and stiffened steering torsion bar.

 

Right..

I don't mind speaking my mind. You're like the guys over on Rennlist who cannot fathom why I don't think the GT3/Touring is the best car ever made. It isn't, and nor is your beloved 765. Think what you like, does not make a difference to me.

Back on ignore you go.

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I have undergone serious set backs in life and overcome tragedy and horrific events, but being relegated to “ ignore “ by Il Co dwarfs them all. I have proven to be resilient and hopefully my survival instinct and strength of fortitude are sufficient to help me cope with this unanticipated traumatic occurrence.

 

After owing and driving dozens of super cars over a 2 decade period, the 765 is a singular ground breaking achievement. In the realm of 6 figure offerings, the 765 occupies a spot at the summit of the very few that exhibits the synthesis of stellar objective performance coupled with immersive, compelling and intimate connectivity between car and driver. It furthermore will represent the end of an era.

 

Impressive 720 to 765LT with parts bin from Senna in spider form is bonkers.
Own Senna & incoming LT Spider all Carbon - best digital drivers spider and Senna best coupe.
Incoming SF0- Spider AF -new era - they are just cars we are all here to give our opinions based on experience.

 

Wow.

 

Why wow? There's past history with Coincid. Just don't want to waste more time on this or him.

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i have driven a 488 gtb for 56 ooo klm ,i own a f8 and have just purchased tesla plaid s and model y . both teslas give me more fun enjoyment then the ferraris do ...............tesla is onto something here...... best

 

Understand but RL Mac to SF90 thread - just cars / trophies to enjoy.
There is no doubt who builds the fast cars the rest is personal choice.
Man says he has been thru a lot, sheesh let people enjoy a passion.