Should Ferrari withdraw from F1, has the bias gone too far?

Its not fair!!

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Do you have anything else to offer other than it's not fair and Ferrari should quit?

 

WTF are you on about Enzo Ferrari boycotted the 1st ****ing F1C race over money He was the master of boycotts.

He would of boycotted this weekends race the instant FIA ruling came thru on Friday.

 

Boycotting one race is quitting F1? Then by all means boycott. That'll really help. The sponsors will just love it.

And tell the FIA it isn't fair. That'll help too.

I know Binotto will turn it around. And someone other than the choke artist will win a title for Ferrari.

In the meantime, you fine fair-weather fans, do carry on.

 

Very true what you said, but you are talking about a different era. Things are a lot more complex now.

At that time, 50s and 60s, F1 entrants were not forced to participate to all the GPs, and they also negotiated their starting money with the circuits owners.

Now, teams are legally contracted to attend all the races, and a boycott would be a severe breach of contract.

Don't forget there are commercial ramifications that go well beyond the sport. Liberty could sue, for example, and maybe the French GP organisers, etc ...

The issue would end up in court, and I don't think Ferrari can risk that; don't forget it receives $95M a year, just to participate !

But leaving F1 at the end of the season and not renewing their F1 license would be a choice.

 

If Ferrari can't build a completive car with the tires supplied, eff em. And when hasn't F1 been a parade. With the exception of rain, failures and accidents, as long as I have been watching which goes back to the 70's at least, he who qualifies 1st usually wins unless he get past before turn 1, or because of a bad stop. I don't recall all this bitching when Red Bull was on top, or when Williams was on top, or McLaren, or Benetton, or...... Ferrari as always gone through periods of domination and periods of being dominated. BFD. Either you are an F1 and Ferrari fan or you're just a fair weather follower who wants to associate with a winner. Nothing unfair here at all. Merc is just smarter than Ferrari and has the better driver at the moment. I bet if you put Hamilton in the Vettel's Ferrari today for qualifying it wouldn't be 7th on the grid. And look at Charles. Same car, 6/10 behind Ham 0.36 behind Botas. Vettel 1.5 behind. Ferrari has a problem and it's called Vettel.

 

Nice post and as major engineers said its 80% or more car now. Ferrari need a better all round car to be competitive. They have a flawed aero concept and are simply out designed as well as driven. Even without Vettel the season is terribly difficult.

 

What would Ferrari be without F1? Really? Ferrari and F1 have been synonymous since the beginning. If they didn't quit when they were a mid-pack team with a crap car, why should they do so now? They need to get back to being a team, quit doing business "the Italian way" and look at what made them successful in the Schumacher era, what made other teams successful and what made them a losing team in the eras of McLaren and Williams domination.

But sure, they could leave. Focus on how to avoid success in other formats. I hope they stay though and that they get their act together.

 

Ferrari fame was built on sportscar racing, not F1.

It's victories at Le Mans, the Mille Miglia, Sebring, Daytona, Monza, Spa and other road circuits in the 50s and 60s that made the brand famous and sold cars.

Ferrari had a grip on endurance racing up to the Ford invasion at Le Mans in the 60s, and then Porsche.

 

If Ferrari builds an inferior car, I’m upset, but oh well, maybe next year. This isn’t the issue. FIA allows idiots with agendas to become stewards and, on a whim, they’re allowed to decide the outcome of a race prior to the finish. Unless FIA can rid itself of these clueless, self involved, has-been parasites, they’re in jeopardy of losing their core audience.

After last week’s fiasco, the ‘true’ Tifosi and F1 fans in general should be as involved as they can be to demand changes. Fans have no better way to voice their concerns other than utilizing their singular means of protest, reduced consumer interest. I was hoping Ferrari would threaten to pull the team for the remainder of the season and I believe it is shortsighted they didn’t double down.
Otherwise, we’ll be able to watch the following and agree Gilles should have finished seventh after accrued penalties from a former backmarker steward assessing additional time for unsafe driving, contact, blocking and racing off track...

 

Isobel I agree with much of your post and while I heartily agree officiating could be better and more consistent I don't think Emanuele Pirro is an idiot. Far from it. And let's not forget what brought this all on was Vettel losing it under pressure. Again.

Neither Hamilton, Riccardo, Verstappen or others would be qualifying seventh in that Ferrari.

 

If Vettel had hit the wall instead of skating on the grass at Montreal, that would have been the end of it.
One can say that safety areas spoilt the sport. Circuits with guardrails like Singapore don't allow much mistake.

As for stewards, they were introduced in F1 at the demand of the drivers themselves !!!

 

Alexander Wurz states that in fact this is the result of the rules/policy the drivers have asked for over time. GPDA was a force for this. Now they must live it. If reversed Vettel would be for a penalty. He has openly supported them. The rule used against him and he now thinks burn the rules book.

 

The stewards are not the problem. The rules are not the issue. Despite what some say here, I don't see anyone NOT having the rules enforced as they have been by F1 since I was a kid. Leading drivers get more slack than also-rans. Ferrari, unfortunately is an also-ran right now, and they're not going to get any benefit of the doubt.

When Schumacher was winning championships, a lot of bitching and moaning was heard from competitors about how he had an unfair advantage, that the stewards tended to turn a blind eye to his overly aggressive style, and would only penalize him when they felt they absolutely had no other choice. That's pretty much what Hamilton gets now. That's what lots of champion drivers have been afforded over the years. Only difference? He's NOT driving a Ferrari so it pisses all the Ferrari fans off and makes them scream about how unfair it is.

If Ferrari consistently put a great driver/car combination on the track, and was really competing for 1st place finishes, instead of holding guys off for 3rd, 4th or 5th, they'd be getting the benefit of being the number 1A team, right along with Mercedes. But, no amount of overt favoritism, or even bending the rules FOR Ferrari right now will make them competitive for a championship, so don't expect to see anyone in F1 cut them any slack. Build a better car, get a better driver, and Ferrari will get the most favored treatment that F1 has been giving the really competitive teams for years.

I wait anxiously for that day.

But, and you guys are right about this one, the races are won in qualifying and the pits, not on the track, 98% of the time.

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Preach!! Preach!!

 

So.
Very.
True.

 

Where was all this crying when the FIA gave Hamilton a 25 sec penalty at Spa 2008, putting him into 3rd and giving Massa the race?!

This was more egregious and yet celebrated here.

 

+ 1

wonderful post

 

Everybody knows that in motorsport money and politics are part of the game, but I think I´m being fair if I say that Mercedes has been given a preferential treatment without precedents in F1: free testing session, tyres á la carte (several times), rules á la carte, extra cash just for being Mercedes (at least Ferrari had to wait decades to get that)... Also, when a team wins too much, FIA always set a massive rule change specifically to screw them up, something that hasn´t happened with Mercedes yet. I don´t know what kind of stuff Toto Wolff has about Jean Todt, but it must be worse than Max Mosley´s nazi hookers.

Having said that, don´t despair: sooner or later the **** will hit the fan. Right now, our main concern should be that our guys need to be ready when the moment arrives. Time to regroup and prepare the counter-strike.

Meanwhile, I just hope that Liberty isn´t so stupid to screw Ferrari forever with the new deal, the budget limits, etc... They´re American and only care about quick cash: terrible things happen when those two things go together. Terrible things like IRL. If that heppens, screw F1: the ACO is desperate to get new entries.

 

I remember that very well. I also remember, during the same year, the absolute class of Felipe when he lost the championship by one point. At his home grand prix.

Contrast his actions after losing the championship with those of Vettel losing a race in Canada.

Night and day.

 

I cared. And every fan of Felipe cared. I gather you weren't one of them. Some people behave like gentlemen you know.