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Sources of titainium lug bolts ?

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  1. neil e dale

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    was curious about sources of titanium lug bolts ? where did you get yours what price did you pay ? ...................has anyone done trade w/ Acer racing los angeles ? they offer a set for $389.99 w/ free shipping worldwide thx regards, Neil
     
  2. tazandjan

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    Best place is on Ferrari Ads above. Picked up a set of OEM ones (17 mm hex) for $750. Just have to be patient. The cheap sets usually come from China.
     
  3. timwu12

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    i also saw those and wondered about them as well.

    the price point is nice and the physical attributes of titanium as a metal are quite nice in that it's strong and lightweight but it's also very brittle and without proper provenance, anyone can say it's 6Al-4V, grade 5 titanium. Since those 5 lug nuts are all that connect your wheels to your car, I'd either pass on the 200g weight saving (plus, most of the weight saving is centered around the hub, where it matters is cutting weight out on the rim) or buy one from a more reputable and trusted manufacturer.

    Again, I've never bought or tried these, so they very well could be really good, it's just that I've never heard of Acer racing in LA.
     
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    yes thx why I asked ! regards! neil PS it would all be unsprung weight too tho ! nearly 1/2 a pound ! ( per wheel ) !
     
  5. timwu12

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    Yup, it would be a reduction in unsprung weight but most of that weight reduction is centered around the middle of the wheel at the hub. You won't feel or notice any handling improvements or advantages from that small of a weight reduction there.

    If you lost 0.5lb/wheel out on the edge of each wheel, or replaced your aluminum wheels with magnesium or carbon wheels, then that'll make a difference. 200 grams in the middle won't do much but for $400, if you like the look and must have titanium, it might be worth a shot!
     
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    I think you are thinking of accelerating ( or decelerating )rotating mass like a flywheel? then yes the effect would be greater at the periphery but I am thinking of the effect of weight on a lever arm - the suspension! so 200 grams ( about half a pound ) would be ........ hardly noticable LOL ! still, every ounce counts ! LOL
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    here was a set of OEM for $1600 ! [​IMG]
     
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    There is a guy in the parts section named Freddan that sells them for 1/3 that price (not oem). He is in Sweden.
     
  9. arizonaitalian

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    Didn't the guy on here that was having wheels made also offer these lug nuts? Is Freddan the same guy?
     
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    Not sure. I just know he has an ad in the for sale section for ti bolts. He just had a black Friday sale.
     
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    Oh...thanks for point that out!!
     
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    I have the Acer ones on my 360. About 3k miles and the wheels are still on.
     
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    thx paying more does not allways equal getting more ! i suppose we could allways subject them to some NDT ( non destructive testing ) this company sounds capable i'll contact them ! ...........................................................
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    Are you modifying your car ?
     
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    #17 Flea7, Dec 24, 2018
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    I have 3 sets from Acer. One for my m3, One for my aftermarket wheels on the f430 and one for my stock f430 wheels.
    They are grade 5 titanium (6Al-V4).
    I think paying $1600 for 20 bolts is ridiculous. Grade 5 titanium usually goes for around $125 per foot at 1" diameter and can be easily found.

    I don't think you have anything to be worried about buying from Acer.


    This one is for the stock F430 17mm compared to a 6AL - V4 round 1" stock
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    This one is for a Porsche
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    #18 neil e dale, Dec 25, 2018
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    I have always made judicious improvements to every vehicle I have ever owned! power, handling, braking, comfort, aesthetics I am a mechanic! (retired, mostly ! ) It is actually very fun and highly enjoyable when you can do it as a "hobby " on your own vehicles and on your own schedule! Sigh, and no I can never leave well enough alone! I am used to my own innovations, custom touches but it is a huge order of magnitude to aspire, to think one can improve on a Ferrari! A worthy challenge! still, I own one now, so the gauntlet has been thrown down I must accept the challenge! PS my brother just bought a new Alfa Romeo Julia quadrofoglio drove it down to Tucson, i drove it ! what a car! w/ a 8-2 cyl Ferrari motor they say ! a V-6 twin turbos ( sure runs out of revs soon tho ! ) now i imagine an F430 w/ twin turbos ? an easy 1000 +HP ! but would it stay together? LOL
     
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    Thats the only way to enjoy the car is to put your own spin on it . Every car can be improved upon in one way or another . I only asked because i saw you mention "unsprung weight" on the reason you bought these . Most people buy them because it's the cool thing or because everyone else has them and not for legitimate reasons . Are you planning on changing wheels and brakes also ?

    I can't imagine doing a twin turbo kit on any of these cars where you have to actually build the motor also . The maintenance alone would drive me to be an alcoholic :D
     
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    #20 neil e dale, Dec 27, 2018
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    Well, I used to ride superbikes/race road race motorcycles! Laguna Seca, Riverside, Ontario motor speedway, PIR, Firebird. the F430 has the CF rotors and awesome brakes! - I only worry about having to pay to get them replaced! ( the parts ! ) lighter wheels would be an improvement! I'm much more into improving function than form! The car is already beautiful! I would like better seats, It needs much better lights for high-speed nighttime jaunts - I'm thinking of aircraft par 36? LED landing lights in the side mirrors ( w/ removable covers maybe ? ) = 150,000 Lumens Each ! or two LED light bars ( removable ) inside of the windshield at the top ( so no aero interference ) If it could be done so as to not light up the whole windscreen! place one on each side and voila! ( take them off in daylight ) they say the higher you can mount the lights the better, more effective they are ! sort of modernizing the rally light thing is the idea! yet not destroy the beautiful aesthetics, nor the aerodynamics! .......................... as for a twin turbo oh thats just a crazy idea! ( we do think outside the box !) and yes, would require extensive motor modification, lowering the base CR, fitting intercoolers, plumbing etc - still, there is a good space for them,( turbos ) where the muffler is now! LOL but the style now is to have them as close as possible to the exhaust exit near the Cyl head! PS most turbo motors are actually very understressed as unless they are boosting, they are mild! but the heat you must shed is unbelievable! ( we have a tuned, turbo Saab Viggen (Car, not the aircraft !) that will smoke a Porsche 911 0 to 100 MPH !)
     
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    I see a big spread in pricing fr various sources! i imagine they are similar in quality, some have added features ( 2 piece ) EG but most have the " Ferrari tax "influence! even the lowest price Acer racing charges about $200 more for a Ferrari essentially the same bolts for a BMW ! LOL Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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    #25 Flea7, Dec 27, 2018
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    Not necessarily, I have 3 different sets. My guess is that the Ferrari 17mm hex bolt are longer and and take more material to make. Although you end up with the similar mass...or weight, a lot more material has to be milled out. Those you see that are on sale for the BMW are considerably shorter.

    FYI, I have NO affiliations with Acer Racing.
     
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