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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Jay Hova, Jan 29, 2021.

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  1. Jay Hova

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    Starting Problem: Drove my 2015 458 Spider 30 miles. Parked at restaurant. Two hours later, it wouldn't start. All the lights lit up on the dash and no turnover at all. Tried about 5 more times over then next 10 minutes. Nothing changed - no turnover at all. Called the tow truck. Tow truck shows up 2 hours later, and just for yucks, I tried to start it. Turned right over and started, as normal!
    I told the tow truck to take it anyway to a dealer to check it out. Now waiting for an update.

    This is my first problem with my 458 since purchase in July 2020. Put 2,500 miles on it since (now 11,000) then without an issue. I keep it on a battery tender when garaged.

    Anyone else with this experience?
     
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  3. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    bad battery cells. few threads in FF/lusso forum
     
  4. Cigarzman

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    I have experienced the faulty battery situation with the last 3 Ferraris I’ve owned. I just got a new F8 spider and I’m sure I will be replacing the battery after a year or so. The battery’s Ferrari uses are pure s##t. Best , Kirk.
     
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  5. Il Co-Pilota

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    Braille B7548 or Antigravity H6 60Ah is the fix. The latter will need a CTek lithium charger and an adapter to plug it in as per usual. Battery is fairly easy to change on a 458.

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  6. SVCalifornia

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    May. It be battery... did you really push hard on the brake? Sometimes the brake feel is wrong...

    SV
     
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  8. Sargepug

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    As stated above, I think bad cells. If the dealer says the same and you don't want to deal w/ changing it yourself, tell them you will send them a new battery to install. They will charge you double for one! I've been trough this w/ my Maserati, which has the same **** battery. Battery was always on a tender since car purchased new in '17, but it was kept at a vacation home. The outlet in the garage crapped out and battery died soon after. I bought and sent the new Battery to Masi for an install, because they are fn heavy and it's very "awkward" weight to lift out the dead one from deep in the trunk and then put in a new one. Let somebdy else pull their back out! LOL
     
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  9. GT2goneF

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    Agree with @Il Co-Pilota . This is advice from the ones who know. I credit @RayJohns as well. Separate $1500-2500 for the battery.
     
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  10. RayJohns

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    Braille i48CS, this is the way.

    Ray
     
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  11. Jay Hova

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    Yes, I really stomped on the brake.
     
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  13. Il Co-Pilota

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    Get one of the three batteries suggested. The Braille B7548 is the easiest and cheapest solution, and while not as high performance as its Lithium counterpart, will still enable the car to sit a few weeks. It is by far the strongest group 48 AGM on the market and 100% plug and play.

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  14. docf

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    My 15 had the same prob. New battery plus inc. pressure on the brake on starting solved the prob.. I did change the battery charger from stock to Cytec to the 7 series
     
  15. Jay Hova

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    Update: New battery and still intermittent starting problems. Replaced brake sensor: still have intermittent problems. The dealer mentioned that diagnostics are still pointing to the brake sensor, so the problem must be between the sensor and the control unit. The dealer has had the car for a week now.
     
  16. RayJohns

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    What battery did you install?

    My advice would be to buy yourself a good digital multi meter and start checking the battery voltage prior to starting. If it's under 12.50 volts, then charge it up a bit (to more like 12.68 to 12.75 volts) before attempting to fire up the car and see if the issue largely goes away. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the OEM battery provides is barely capable of properly powering all the electronics correctly on the 458.

    Once again - and I know I must sound like a broken record on Ferrarichat with this - my advice is install a Braille i48CS. It's not just that Lithium Ion is a superior technology, but the individual cell voltage is higher as well. This means the cars electronics are getting slightly more voltage (and therefore a bit of a buffer during starting, when the starter motor draws a lot of amps from the entire system and produces a slight voltage drop). I don't recall the exact voltage of the i48CS off hand, but I just came in from working on my Toyota (which has the Braille G30 battery in it) and even after cracking the starter 8 or 9 times (for 10 to 12 second durations per crank - for conducting a compression test on my cylinders), the battery was still showing 13.26 volts (normally it's more like 13.80 volts).

    Your Ferrari has a lot of electronics; electronics need stable power. I can tell you from first hand experience, the moment I switched to the Braille i48CS in my 458 Italia, every single one of my "strange starting warnings" and odd ball electrical issues vanished into thin air.

    So, something to think about, while the dealer is over there on a wild goose chase.

    Good luck!

    Ray
     
  17. Jay Hova

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    The dealer installed the battery, not an Lith-Ion. They found a problem with the brake sensor, but a new sensor was installed, so they think it is a downstream problem from the sensor. They opened a ticket with Ferrari to replace a $5K part. Now waiting for the authorization (requested yesterday April 6) and part (hopefully available).
    Thanks!
     
  18. RayJohns

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    Sounds like they are using a swaptronics to find the issue...

    Has anyone bought a digital volt meter yet?

    Ray
     
  19. Jay Hova

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    Seems like it
     

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