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  1. 550nitis

    550nitis Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2016
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    Recently had an alignment, the tire pressures are set correctly yet the 360 tends to steer to the right. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Flyingbrick242

    Flyingbrick242 Formula Junior
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    Feb 26, 2017
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    Pulls or drifts are most often misunderstood let me explain:
    1-If you are on a perfectly flat road with no crown the vehicle should stay straight when steering is released but not forever.
    2-If you are constantly correcting the ease of going straight you may have a alignment/ tire or in some extreme cases a unbalanced steering rack[ only applies to hydraulic rack] To quickly know is feeling the same effort to rotate the steering wheel right or left.
    3-My question to the OP is did the vehicle present this condition prior.?
    4-Do you have a print out of the alignment.?
    If yes what is the Thrust angle...should be close to 0.
    Camber even.?
    Toe-evenly set.
    5-Tires...How old.?
     
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  3. 550nitis

    550nitis Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2016
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    Thanks for chiming in. Going to take for another alignment. Seems to pull to right and I have to correct. I wonder if I bent the wheel or something.
     
  4. mahlerfree

    mahlerfree Rookie

    Dec 19, 2019
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    I used to install a bent upper arm to my car. Next thing I know , it pulls. The bent upper arm changed the caster of that corner.

     
  5. FantasiaForest

    Feb 22, 2019
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    Can any tire shop do an alignment on a 360 or do I need to take it to a specialist?
     
  6. mike32

    mike32 F1 Rookie

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    Reset the tyres on the rims before you get another alignment. Toyota say to swap tyres front to back etc, tried on my rav 4 and it pulled to one side, i put wheels back to original and no problems, never swapped then again.
     
  7. Zanny1

    Zanny1 Formula Junior
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    Take it to a specialist. I've had mine done twice.... the first was a regular shop and they made a mess out of it. Drove all over the road.
     
  8. 550nitis

    550nitis Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2016
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    Took the car to a place Davis brothers recommended by the GTO indie shop. Here is the results. The car still pulls to the right.

    Also got the car back with a CEL, disconnected the battery and it cleared.


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  9. Flyingbrick242

    Flyingbrick242 Formula Junior
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    There seems to be something with your R/F corner..your before and after needed significant adjustment.
    Did your technician indicate any compromised suspension components.?
    It appears the after specs were achieved so if suspension is ok the steering geometry should improve vehicle handling!
    Sometimes alaignments are performed with daily driver sitting in vehicle to compensate for weight...typically used in race applications
    As I previously mentioned make sure you are on perfectly flat road to effectively evaluate your pull condions.
    Don’t rule out your tires..if possible get a borrowed set to try.
    Good Luck.
     
  10. 550nitis

    550nitis Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2016
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    Just drove to Vegas and back and sometimes the car drove fine and sometimes pulled heavy. Taking the car in so they can place in the air. Something is definitely off. Will report.
     
  11. mike32

    mike32 F1 Rookie

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    If its still not right, then get it jacked up and check the wheel for movement in the 3 to 9 position. This will check the track rod end and steering rack. Also check the upper and lower ball joints for wear etc. Flamblocs can be come tight if original, easy to free up
     
  12. 550nitis

    550nitis Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2016
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    Los Angeles, CA
    An update here, my indie went over the car and found nothing wrong with the components. I was hoping it was a bad ball joint or something but nothing. Taking the car to a alignment specialist tomorrow. Hopefully the two other shops just couldn't get it done. After this alignment doesn't work then will take to dealer....ufffff
     
  13. ihavearedferrari

    ihavearedferrari F1 Rookie

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    or put it on bring a trailer :)
     
  14. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob F1 World Champ
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    I would start by answering does car pull left on left side of road and pull right on right side of road? You can learn some by swapping your left and right front wheels and testing that result. You can have proper alignment and bad results from badly worn tires. Then you can correct for crown with some opposite side positive caster. There are a bunch of things that could be wrong and a bunch of solutions.
     
  15. 550nitis

    550nitis Formula Junior

    Feb 3, 2016
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    Finally went to a shop recommended by the dealer and they fixed the issue. Looks like the two alignment shops I went just made things worse by counter aligning the car, uffff... no comment. But good news is that she is back and great!!!!!!

     
  16. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob F1 World Champ
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    That's why I have scales and tools to align myself.
     
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  17. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    would you elaborate on technicals of the unbalanced steering rack. I was wondering mine was caused by this.

     
  18. Flyingbrick242

    Flyingbrick242 Formula Junior
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    Feb 26, 2017
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    Hi, When I reference a unbalanced steering rack it is defined as the internal hydrolic pressure that shifts from left to right has lost its neutral position allowing a bleeding of P/S pressure to offset to either left or right..which is slightly allowing the rack to steer left or right depending on bleeding pressure loss.
    This may be a sign of internal seepage via rack seals and in some racks can be readjusted. When this unusual symptom happens the driver may feel a slight drift.
    Hope this helps.
     
  19. EastMemphis

    EastMemphis Formula Junior
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    I suppose a valid test would be to shut down the engine while on the road. If the pull stops, it's the power steering.
     
  20. Flyingbrick242

    Flyingbrick242 Formula Junior
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    If the rack was that out of balance this could be correct but one would feel a difference when steering effort from left to right standing still.
    A better suggestion may be to lift the front wheels off the ground and start the engine allowing the system to operate if you see the steering wheel start to drift left or right this could be your issue again this would be extreme.
    The correct way is to connect a pressure gage inline with the balance tubes and measure.
     
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