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  2. Rifledriver

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    The plastic case ammo has been in the works for a while. I think it was developed by a company here in the Austin area. It was to be produced in 223,308 and 50BMG. It supposedly costs less (Right, when did the Pentagon ever pay a fair price for anything), weigh less and most importantly transfer far less heat to the gun cutting wear and allowing more sustained fire. I got in touch to see if it or components could be bought but no non military sales were envisioned.
     
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    True Velocity ammunition, Garland, TX....

    https://www.tvammo.com/
     
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    Cool, thanks. I guessed they changed their mind.
     
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    I assume the chamber takes the pressure that the plastic can't?

    And that it's not reloadable? Says "recyclable" so...

    30% weight reduction is helpful...
     
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    "And that it's not reloadable? "
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    “Are True Velocity’s cases reloadable? Will reloaders be able to buy these composite cases as components?”

    The short answers are “no” and “no.” When I challenged company leadership about this, their response revealed a complicated situation. Currently, their ammunition is being evaluated by the U.S. military and its allies for all the benefits you can imagine, particularly weight savings and performance consistency. To add, True Velocity doesn’t want to aid our enemies by providing them with a reloadable component that could be picked up on the battlefield. Once the cartridge is fired, the spent case is useless to them."

    https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/true-velocity-sierra-bullets-team-up-to-produce-ammo/372002
     
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    The only part of any case that needs to handle pressure is the head around the extractor recess and the ejector recess to some degree. If you notice the Velocity case is steel in this area.
     
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    I find that claim rather hollow. If this stuff really does achieve all the goals claimed the Russians and Chinese have already reverse engineered it and is planning to supply it to any client state willing to make trouble for us.

    Sounds more like they are protecting their market which is perfectly understandable but is unwilling to say so. It could be the greatest 308 GI Ball ammo on earth but I see no use for it in the civilian market with a known garbage M80 147gr standard bullet. Make a version of the M118LR with a 175Gr Matchking and it is a different story. Hence my question about components.
     
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    Interesting article. TY

    The Sierra guys sound like they're on their game. Bullets. Hi Tech.
    Who knew?
     
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    Sierra has been at the top of the heap for a long time. Berger is a small company and makes great but expensive stuff. Sierra has been the primary supplier for match and sniper bullets to the US military for a long time. Hornady has in recent years made a few good offerings too.
     
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    I would think there would be some serious thermal expansion issues effecting reliability and accuracy.
     
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    Thermal expansion of what?
     
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    #14 Rifledriver, Jun 8, 2021 at 10:46 AM
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    If they were smart, and they probably are they made that round with a 308 head and near 308 body diameter so all thats needed to convert existing guns is a barrel. M14's and 21's. All the Remington 7.62 bolt guns, any 7.62 Saws that may exist, M240 etc.
     
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    Part of the promise and probably the most important is the case transfers less heat to the gun. Quite a bit less so like I said, thermal expansion of what?
     
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    We don't know! No one I know has ever shot a plastic cased bullet. What we do know even at the lowly civilian level during high rates of fire competition like steel matches (guns get hot!) that is is extremely difficult to produce "race guns" that don't foul or jam. The out of the box sloppy plastic glock is an amazing tool in stock class competition. During a competition my stock glocks will always fire on command with any commercial ammo and all reloads I have come accross. You just can't say that about tighter tolerance guns and raceguns by famous gunsmiths using parts that were never designed to work together. The commercial brass cartridge is a near flawless thing who's technology has been refined and perfected over 100 years. You never hear guys say I can shoot federal but not winchester like you hear guys say their gun does not do well with reloads. Add in plastic cases and what does that do to reliability and accuracy? What about mixed material expansion and contraction rates? Even if the plastic transfers less heat does the little heat there expand the case more for more drag on extraction? Or is there less drag on extraction because some plastics like delrin have inherant lubricity? We just don't have enough information at the consumer level. We have no idea what will happen and so the military will test to see if it ticks off all the boxes on their compromise list.
     
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    I have some experience here. One of my M14s has over 20,000 rounds in its log book. I have a number of competition rifles that have been shot a lot. I had a big pile of worn out rifle barrels I threw away at my last move. It will not be an issue. Last thing on my mind.


    I guess the several hundred thousand rounds already shot in testing don't count?
     
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    That depends if the test results meet the military's compromises. Big to the media is a couple boxes of 9mm. Big to an enthusiast might be 20k rounds. Homeland security by itself has 1.6 billion rounds. So is several hundred thousand rounds of testing a big number to the US military? I have no clue.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/?sh=5390d9e1624b
     

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