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  1. red27

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    Are you sure the changes took? I still see a reference to 205/70x15 in the front for later cars. As a prior owner of 16 Boras I have never seen smaller tires fitted in the front. Some Merak did have smaller tires in the front, perhaps this is the cause for the confusion.

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    Yes

    Dunlop say so in 1979

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    Then this is Michelin in 1978

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    And then there is this that i have stumbled accross. which i think complicates the whole matter by making it look like they are supposed to run them front and rear!

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    I'm not disputing that things weren't different in the US. I'd love to know more.

    However i bet they are nicer to drive with a 205 on the front.

    Is the steering heavy?

    do they tend towards understeer?
     
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    You should check with Fabio Collina (the Maserati factory historian)

    fabio.collina@maserati.com

    Ivan
     
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  8. ANF289

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    Doesn't the tire label you "stumbled across" suggest that your first bullet point ("The very first Maserati Bora cars came fitted with 215/70 WR 15 Michelin XWX until 1973.") is incorrect? That label is attached to the 18th Bora off the assembly line.
     
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    Good idea. I have done.
     
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    aaaaaha ha ha!

    I love that. something pops up from nowhere that copntradicts everything i thought i had worked out. I think i'm going to end up with something like this:-

    some of the first Bora might have fitted 205/70R15. well at least one of them did any way.
    then i'm pretty sure that for a while at least they probably fitted 215/70R15.
    Then after a bit some of them might have had a smaller front tyre - maybe!
     
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    Oo what a fab ecxperience.

    i emailed Maserati about correct tyres and over night i get this reply.

    Dear Dougal,

    you are welcome!

    After a check I can confirm you that the original homologated tyres assembled on the production lines at the time of the production for the Maserati Bora were the following:


    Bora 4.719cc

    1st e 2nd axels - 215/70 VR 15
    on 7,5" x 15" rims


    Bora 4.930cc

    1st axel - 205/70 VR 15
    2nd axel - 215/70 VR 15
    on 7,5" x 15" rims


    The alternative tyres later homologated for the Bora model were:


    Bora 4.719cc
    1st e 2nd axels - 205/70 VR 15
    on 7,5" x 15" rims

    Bora 4.930cc
    1st e 2nd axels - 215/70 VR 15
    on 7,5" x 15" rims


    I hope this can help!


    Very kind regards and have a nice day

    Fabio Collina


    NOTE: the film is really funny...!!!!


    I think that is great service from a company that really care about there heritage.

    I must say i also care about the heritage of Maserati my dream car recently sold at Bonhams at Goodwood. a late '20s Tippo 26 two seater GP car. Phwarr! it only went for a Million quid. sadly i was at a freinds birthday so i couldn't buy it.

    https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26999/lot/211/

    that is the kind of car i would happily giv my left knacker for. My dad actually went out and bought a lottery ticket.
     
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  13. ANF289

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    Somewhat puzzling: Alternate tires later homologated for the 4.7 were 205/70's... but the tire label indicates 205/70 not 215/70 on the 18th car produced. What does "later homologated" mean?
     
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    Lot 17 is a car I know well.

    Once owned for a very long time by my best friend George Marin. He made a number of modifications to it but basically just maintained it very well. He had RBT refurbish the ZF and Install the Pantera 5th gear ratio so it cruises at very low rpms. It got a cosmetic restoration by a so called Bora specialist from the Santa Cruz area. But according to George when he saw at Monterey there were no significant mechanical restorations which is OK because it was a fine running car at the time.
    The car did look spectacular the last time I saw it but the lack of removal of the USA spec side markers I found weird though not a deal breaker. The distributor has been restored to European specs as has the valve timing. The seats are not the correct color, red. Nevertheless this probably a good buy because George knew these cars well and like me was one of the first to add one behind the driver's seat and enlarge the other behind the passenger seat inspection panels. This makes distributor, alternator, ac compressor and exhaust header maintenance easier than on most front engine cars.
     
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    #1062 M. Brandon Motorcars, Jul 30, 2021 at 6:26 PM
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    @staatsof: Are you sure you're describing lot 17? The blue/blue car? #916?

    That's actually my car. The interior color on the car was originally blue, not red, according to Fabio at Maserati, so the interior color is correct. I have driven the car extensively, and I didn't note an extremely low cruising RPM in 5th gear. There are still the US side markers present, as can be seen in the photos (although, of course, Euro bumpers were installed). And, there is no access panel behind the driver's seat.

    Having said the above, I can say that #916 is really a great car. My friend bought the car in 2017 at the RM Scottsdale auction. It had been cosmetically restored sometime in the past, as well as having the engine rebuilt in the past as well. He addressed quite a few mechanical and cosmetic issues in his ownership period, and then I bought the car from him in 2019.

    It was soon apparent to me when I received the car that it wasn't running right. Long story short was that we had to rebuild the engine from the crank up--the previous rebuild was done poorly causing many issues. Almost $50K and a year later, I had a spectacular car, both cosmetically and mechanically.

    The good news was that the cosmetics were done properly in the previous restoration. Paint is excellent and seats were redone properly. No rust and looks great on the underside as well.

    But the best part is how it drives. It drives amazingly well--the engine is extremely strong, shifts smoothly, brakes work properly and strongly, no squeaks or rattles... it's just a great and solid car. Even the AC blows cold. All hydraulics work--the brakes, the lights, pedals, etc.

    In mid-2020, I sold the car to one of our storage customers who had seen the engine work and had fallen in love with the car. He drove it a few times and enjoyed it, but traded it to me earlier this year on another car. (he goes through cars like most of us change our clothes and has a very large collection)

    I decided that the right market for the car was Monterey, and Bonhams always does well with these Maseratis. The 77 Merak is also my car at the sale as well.

    Bottom line is, this is a Bora that is fully sorted, which I doubt can be said about many Boras out there (posters on this thread excluded, of course!). Most cars, as we all know, need a tremendous amount of work and aren't in great shape. You can jump in my car, drive it, and enjoy it, which is where its value is, not to mention the beautiful colors and presentation.
     
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