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  1. thecarnut

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    It is in the CD-ROM under "General - All Models", and then select "All Models". It is not as easy to read, nor does it have the illustrations which were i the original printed article.
    As I mentioned, finding things using the CD-ROM application takes time and the interface is archaic. You can install the application and files in a folder on your computer, no need to burn a CD-ROM.

    These are sections for many of the models, this is an image of the Bora's table of contents.

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    Thank YOU. Marvelous to have at least SOME link back to the MOCNA publications/articles.

    Alas, my faded laptop skills combined with a new laptop and Win11... seem to have me frustrated. Must get some neighbor's 9yr old to instruct me.

    I do have a few of the old MOCNA publications but would love to have direct copies of ALL such. Paper copies if necessary and do-able, but the searchable advantages of having it on laptop (along with recouped user skills) would be great. Maybe scheme around this somehow.

    Embarrassed to note that I have not pressed harder formerly to resolve some of the issues noted and confronted with my own Bora.
    However, progress is slowly made.
    About a half-dozen years back I took advantage of MIE 'sale' of all suspension parts (shocks, wheel bearings, suspension bits, etc.
    so much as to have an entirely freshened underpinning--like new). Well, delay re all the CV bits... but they were all redone last year. Perfect.
    But... there's always something next. In this case that turned out to be rebuild of all 4 Weber dcnf units. These could use a better tune-balance since,
    which is the current interest. Need a really talented insightful mech' for such... the more local the better (SoCal: Orange County).
    Of course, LHM system local expertise would be always welcome as well.. because...

    Really, as now 50 years have somehow been left in my rearview (just since the Bora was new in '73) there's no surprise re expertise being 'thin on the ground'.

    It is very much appreciated that this forum and its contributors /owners /enthusiasts are keeping on as well as is the case.

    I'll make efforts to come back to report progress much more frequently. I have a fair collection of Bora (et al) photos from our many weekend events,
    to be found and posted.

    I do very much appreciate this connection amongst our enthusiasts. Thanks!

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    Thank you, I purchased the CN12s from you. I am grateful for your services.

    No, not the CN12.

    I'm not an authority, but I've always read in contemporary magazines, and been told by others, the original tires supplied with the Bora (and Khamsin, possibly more Maseratis) were the Michelin XWX.

    .. and I have one personal experience that supports the XWX: I take care of an original owner's 1977 Khamsin. It has 26,500 miles and it is STILL on it's original XWXs.. That is highly inadvisable, but the owner wants to remain original. Therefore I bought a full set of the 'star burst' Campagnolo rims for him to put modern tires on, so he can put his original rims and XWXs in storage.

    On our own Khamsin I installed Vredestein Sprint Classics to have a comparison to the CN12s. The Vredesteins are good and competent, but I don't sense their qualities are significantly better or worse than the CN12s. The Boras CN12s have been entirely confident at highway speeds in a downpour, I have not had the Khamsin out in the rain yet. And in terms of grip or "feel" I can't really compare the performance of different tires between a Bora and a Khamsin, the cars themselves are so different. The Bora with CN12s had good break-away qualities on an F1 track last summer. I got very predictable throttle-on oversteer, I could induce nice controllable tail slides.

    Given the similarities I plan on CN12s, or try to find P4000s, for the Khamsin when the I'm done with the Vredesteins.

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    Art a lot of owners used the P4000 on the Lamborghinis front engined cars and plenty on Boras , Meraks, Ghiblis when they were in production because they were way less in cost than the vintage antique tires and they road quite well if not an ultra performance tire. But those are long gone as are the cars such a jaguar that used them as OEM tires, at least from a manufacturers point of view. So they provide the antique tire production albeit at much higher pricing. The P4000E was the specific one as it was properly rated. I've had those on my own Espada but times change. What a number of guys in the Vintage Lamborghini Group do now on non concours cars is to run alternate brand tries from Korea and elsewhere. They don't run these cars at maximum limits anymore but they still need reasonable tires for touring and club events. Typically H rated is more than enough speed for them and some ARE actually V rated ones. Just make sure the load rating is adequate for the Bora and Khamsin at the speeds you really drive which on roads on the east coast is maybe 120 for a burst? Even on a track like Pocono it's very hard to reach 130 mph in these old cars.

    So where are you going to use all that excess capacity over a well made H rated tire?
     
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    P4000s were on the Bora when I bought it, and I liked them a lot. They would only be an option if they are new and for the time being none are available. We've had opportunities to drive our cars up around 150-155. The Bora is lovely at 140. The GTV6 tops out around 130.
     
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    There is a 1972 Maserati Bora (AM117/156) currently on BAT (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-maserati-bora-5/) that has a VIN number stamped on what appears to be the left door jam located above the interior light switch and the upper door hinge (pic # 133/176). Anyone know of any other Bora that has a stamping in this location?
     
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    I can't cite any by vin # but the method of production varied quite a bit over the years when it came to identification. That number was put on a lot of parts of the car often hidden on the back side of the interior panels. My Bora (1048) has 1046 written on the back of the door panels. Boras 1046 & 1048 had identical interior and exterior choices so it doesn't seem that the assemblers at the factory were paying very much attention near the end of the run. There are may spots on the body that have the numeric portion of the vin # stamped into them.

    Does this concern you?
     
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    No, not concerned. Just curious if this has been seen before. Unlike the less well-known location on the inside of the right headlight bucket, this doesn’t appear in Ivan’s Guide to Authenticity.
     
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    Well no one can know every detail of a production run. There are plenty of undocumented anomalies, especially in the early cars and this is an early car with the square headlamp buckets.
    There several wholly wrong statements in that general vehicle description of Boras which leads me to believe that who ever wrote this doesn't really know the cars very well.
    The car looks very original in terms of condition other than the new paint. It's deteriorated about like a non preserved Bora would due to the low quality original manufacturing of cars from that era.
    Maserstis never had the lavish maintenance budget that Ferraris generally have had except for the those which were considered extremely valuable like the race cars and the low production spyders.
    This is the typical Bora I'd run across during the late 1980s when I began looking for one. It's quite ratty looking in many respects but it does sound great and starts quickly so call it a pretty good driver.
     
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    Square headlight buckets. That's a super early one
     
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    Yep, correct. But I doubt that it was build in 1977. It must be earlier. So I think the former owner was not the 1st as mentioned in the description.
     
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    I restored Am117157 the next car on the production line i assume and the rear taillight cluster was enclosed. I think this was typical of Maserati how each car was finished differently.
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    I also noticed the VIN stamped on the A post, which I have never seen before. Since this a very early car it could be original. What I do not think is original is the engine number stamping.

    As a comparison is the photo of engine number of #380, which is also a 1972 4.7 Euro car.
    I am in communication with the owner of #136 which although has owned the car for many years does not appear to be too knowledgeable but appears to be genuinely interested in finding an answer. I suggested he sent a photo of the engine's internal number to Fabio.

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    You did such a wonderful job on that car!
     
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    The engine number stamping on #156 is not likely do to its very early production since AM107/07/47*040* has a stamping identical to #380.
     
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    In looking at all of the pictures it's clear to me anyway that there are quite a few details which are different from the later cars. I would attribute that to it's being a very early. I've seen one other example very much like this one that also had rear tail light lenses with the trident molded into them. I also noticed that they show photos of the car in quite a few locations which means they have driven the car. Given condition of those old, old XWX's they should not drive this car.
    For my taste this car is too ratty looking to qualify for preservation class. Original Boras weren't finished all that well so unless it's led a charmed life and has been very well preserved this is just how they deteriorate. At the current Bat price of $45K it's a great candidate for doing this:
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    Do you have a quarter mil and a lot of you own time?

    But if most systems work OK then you could put new carpeting in, it doesn't require all that much, try to address all the surface rust on the chassis, replace the door rubbers, do a super detail on it and drive it!
    All the lead seams on the rear hatch will crack as you drive it but hey that's just life with a vintage Italian car. You'll probably quickly discover that the suspension will need a rebuild including the shocks.
    The Konis that were widely available for the front were not calibrated for this car and will require adjustment and ... etc. etc.
     
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    Bob.
    Thank you for the compliment on the restoration of my Bora.
    This picture is what i started with.
    The extent of the restoration job or the amount of investment is never known but its a case of doing what is required.. If i was asked what was the most difficult part of the restoration it would be getting all the gaps and alignment of the swage lines to line up especially around the hatch. Lining up the gaps to the cab and over the wheel arches and the lines between the rubber bumpers down both side of the car.
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    I see that blue Bora on BaT didn’t sell. It does seems that the vendor was a very genuine and nice enthusiast, but maybe the market is just really soft.
    I have no personal experience of Maserati Newport Beach, and I in no way intend to cast aspersions on their reputation. I was just wondering though, would any US based classic Maserati owners expect Maserati main dealers to understand their carburetted non OBD, LHM filled vehicle?
    There are many specialists in the UK, so I would go there in preference. Surely there are some in CA? I would I would be interested in what people think.
    As an aside, I didn’t see anything in the email from Fabio or the photo file which confirmed the engine number. Did I miss something??
    regards.

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