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The Boxer Market

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by st.tully, Feb 17, 2004.

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  1. DGS

    DGS Six Time F1 World Champ
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    328 or Boxer? Apples and Oranges. The 328 is a tossable around-town "beater", that you can drive every day, park at the mall or the office, and live with in town. The Boxer is Ferrari's "muscle car": it doesn't like tight spaces (other than the interior) and needs room to run. You might like to look at the supermodel, but trying to live with one is another matter. ;)

    Personally, I think the Boxer in red, and especially in two-tone red/black, looks so dated as to be silly. In black, they're sharp cars ... but they'll be mistaken by some for a 308. (But you'll know the difference.) Again, from a personal perspective, I got the 328 because I didn't much like the interior of the 308 (shared with the Boxer). If I had an urge to go for an "exotic", I think my preferences for appearance and interior would likely point me more towards a 288GTO than a Boxer -- but there's a bit of a price difference there.

    But to put things in perspective: While I'd be tempted by a black BBi, the knowledge that a 550 is going to be in the same price range soon would deter me a bit.

    So I think the question that we're approaching here would be:

    Boxer or Maranello?

    Discuss among yourselves. ;)
     
  2. atheyg

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    I forgot about this thread and its kind of funny,I need to clairify some of my old posts in this thread were at the time I was actively looking for a Boxer, I was like the Iraqi press office in stating the numbers of Boxers here.

    The carb Boxer has a very tall 1st gear, its like a 2nd gear on many Ferraris, it gets away with it due to its massive torque, I believe they lowered the gear in the BBi so it could have similar 0-60 times since it had put on more weight had the power robbing CIS cams and CIS and to give it more so called tractibility in town as the carb Boxer takes some finess stuck in stop and go traffic or lights so you don't kill the clutch but I am sure they didn't lower it that much. The 328 has a very low 1st gear so the carb Boxer is penalized 0-60, once moving the carb Boxer is much faster than my 328.

    Concerning appearances of the 2 I had the Boxer out yesterday and it causes way too much attention for my taste in comparison to my 328, even though many have never seen a Boxer on the road here people know its different than other Ferraris by the looks and sounds, it actually effects my desire to drive the Boxer.
     
  3. Can Am T333

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    I still say that IF you were to show up with your 930 I would whup you with my Boxer, and you can have a head start. Again, this is meant as a friendly challenge, so either accept it and let's have a fun track event, or stop saying so many negative things about Boxers on what is certainly a Boxer thread. If you have purchased a Boxer since the start of this thread, then bring the Boxer and I'll give you a head start in that too. Regardless, let's have a track event !
    Note, nothing in this post is meant to be "mean spirited", the intent is to get together at a track and have some fun.
     
  4. parkerfe

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    According to the specs the BB512i is the fastest from 0-62mph out of the three Boxer models. That may be due to it's lower 1st gear.
     
  5. Can Am T333

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    Franklin, are you challenging me to a race ? Fine, lets go 0-62 then !
    Hey, I'm in Georgia too. what kind of car do you have ? I'm new to the forum .
     
  6. parkerfe

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    I have a 1982 BB512i s/n 42213. I live in the Cumming area. I drive my Boxer at least once a week, usually on Saturday afternoon. While I don't want to fry my clutch with dead-stop runs, I'll be happy to have a go from 10mph or so. Give me a call if you want to go on a N.Ga.mountain ride together one Saturday(770.317.8836). And, FYI the Boxer will be a handfull around that tight motorcycle track you have rented. In fact, the first time I drove a Boxer was at that track, John Apen's 365GT4/BB and it was a butt-puckering experience. The Boxer is a great GT, but it ain't no track car...at least not in stock configuration.
     
  7. atheyg

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    Yes you are new thats clear, why don't you check some of the archives and do some reading and see I am one of the biggest Boxer supporters here.

    I am over 1500 miles away from you so chances are we will never race on a track so challenges are pointless and I would never use my Boxer as a track car, unless you have good track insurance a minor shunt on the front end would be in excess of $25k in repairs, 1 headlight assembly with the brackets and parts is over $5000 if you can find the parts.
     
  8. Can Am T333

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    Yes, I understand that a common problem with Ferrari ownership is failure to adequately budget for repairs , but just be careful and you should be OK.
    I have not driven a Boxer, never even seen one except once at a car wash. I have a certain idea in my head about what the car will be like that I feel is fairly accurate. I expect the engine to be out of the car more than it is in the car. We might put the engine in another car and see how it works with a hewland. The car is to have fun with.
    I'm glad you like Boxers now.
    I still think you should consider coming to our track event. Close to the beach and the 4th of July, what more could you ask for.
     
  9. atheyg

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    I have always liked Boxers, like I mentioned at the time I was looking for one for over a year, my posts were tounge -n- cheek at the time.

    The V12 is very reliable, the carbed cars have alot of room to access the valves etc., the only reason to remove the motor would be a major repair or cam belts/water pump or a front seal leak that I could think of.

    Driving the Boxer is like no other car including other Ferraris, it is my favorite car by far no question and I will never sell mine.
     
  10. Can Am T333

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  11. F328 BobD

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    I also love the Boxers!

    For those of you questioning the 328 0-60 times, here they are for the 328. I have all these magazines:

    May '86 Road and Track: 6.0
    August '89 Automobile: 6.6
    Oct '89 Road & Track Special Series: 5.9
    August '86 Road & Track: 6.0
    Sept '86 Motor Trend: 6.47
    May '86 Car & Driver: 5.6
    Mar '89 Road & Track Sports & GT Cars: 5.9

    5.6 to 6.6... pretty big gap, huh?
     
  12. greg246

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    with all due respect,you are peddling the same myths again regarding the acceleration of a 512bbi versus earlier models. The 365bb is lighter and more powerful and faster according to the specs, but then again I am as biased as you are!
     
  13. geekstreet

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    That's not uncommon - the system is flawed.

    Too much depends on launch technique from rest (& how mechanically sympathetic the driver is!). What we REALLY want to know is how fast it accellerates at full-throttle & with fast gear-changing from say 10mph/15kph onward. Clutch-dumping techniques shouldn't figure, but they do, hence the big spreads IMO.
     
  14. Murph

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    My Boxer is the fastest. I can get it out of my garage in under 5.0 seconds!
     
  15. PINNIN512

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    Wana garage race?
     
  16. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    drop the 328 and buy the boxer. you will not look back.
     
  17. Murph

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    You're on... but you can't use a garage opener.
     
  18. RP

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    The ride height comment, I don't believe that Boxers in Europe sit as high as USA destined cars as their bumper laws are not same as ours. They don't have that fenderwell gap we see on US cars.
     
  19. Steve B

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    No Boxers were ever sold by the factory for the US market. When Boxers were imported on a "grey-market" basis, they were modified to be in compliance with US laws. However, I have never heard of anyone raising the height of a Boxer in order to comply with the US rules.
     
  20. boxerman

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    Boxers tend to have a large gap at the rear. However some boxers have way to large a gap. Apparently the suspension or shocks must be left loose after a shock change and car must settle for 24 hours before tightening whatever bolts are ivolved otherwise some rubber sponthing or other gets twisted and the rear sits higher than intended.

    Sorry cant be more technical but I didnt understand the whole explanation when it was done on my car, two sperate techs have told me the same thing over 10 years. I can say that my car seems ton it sit right, and I haqve seen other boxer with jacked up rear ends, boxers neeed boxer specialists.
     

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