I’m left wondering how the overtakes are judged and penalized in sim racing.
can we finally admit that F1 drivers are not the best in the world. the cars are but these drivers are young and dumb. Andretti, Foyt, Unsers, those were racers not demolition drivers.
Automated system that isn't perfect, unless in some hosted races with their own stewards. But the automated system is at least consistent, lol
So, another Hamilton hater? Max is 1000 times worse than Hamilton. Hamilton has done ALOT of clean passes like today on Russell. Max doesn't know how to overtake in a fair way. He either crash or pushes off the opponent. Fully deserved 20s penalty today. Should have happened in CotA too. Hopefully these stewards go to Brazil GP.
What's with you and this "Hamilton hater" business? At least I retracted my statement in an earlier post by which you eluded to calling me a "Hamilton hater." Yet, you haven't retracted your post for calling me a "Hamilton hater." Business as usual........
Delusion at it's finest. Nobody said that Lewis was worse than Max with aggressive passing. I certainly didn't. I was a major critic of Max's aggressive driving 2016-18, but he has definitely cleaned that up a lot, but I also stated his aggressive driving in Mexico was very much like his childish ways of the passed. I said that Lewis' spear headed the now very popular passing move of driving his competitor off the track. This is a fact. During his Mercedes domination, he did very little actual wheel to wheel racing. His cars were so dominant that he would pass everyone with ease on the straight before the braking zone and nobody even bothered defending since there was no point. In the rare times he was in a battle, that's how he made his passes and it was accepted, praised and adopted. So if this was the norm for a decade, is it a big shock that drivers have taken things to an even further extreme? Lando's go to move is the dive bomb, but lets ignore that. He also drives people off the track, but lets ignore that too. You can point out Hamilton's clean pass on his teammate, but ignore his lousy passing tactics against true competitors. However you say Max doesn't know how to overtake fairly but you conveniently forget all the amazing CLEAN racing he had with Leclerc in 2022. Saying 20 seconds is deserved when everyone else that drives their competitors off the track (including Hamilton) is supposedly fair and clean, and to completely disregard the way the rules are in F1 to suggest Max deserves a 10 second penalty in COTA is showing your nasty bias and personal dislike towards Verstappen. I don't like this type of racing in F1. I hate the dive bomb and drive the other guy off the track move that is now standard practice. I don't like it when Lewis does it, Max does it, Lando does it, Charles or Carlos does it. Anybody. It's shameful that so many are only seeing Max doing it when every single driver is doing the same thing. We can see that narrative already in this thread. The other horrendous problem in F1 is the clear bias we have. You are evident of tremendous bias against Verstappen and for Hamilton. So when we have someone like Herbert who has shown detest towards Verstappen in the past, or when we have the son of the owner of McLaren who is directly fighting against Verstappen, it's fair to assume there could be some biased going on from the Stewards. And the evidence is clear. Perez drove like a clown, drove people off the track and actually was majority responsible for causing a collision and yet no penalty. We saw plenty of drivers force off another car at Mexico and in COTA and they didn't get penalties or even investigations. When there was penalties it was 5 seconds. Max does it and gets two 10 second penalties. It's ridiculous.
Bro, Max went all the way off the track, so far that he was signing autographs. Your attempt to put Sir Lewis Hamilton in Max category is a losing battle.
Has Lewis ever in his career drove the other guy off the track to make the pass? Or has Lewis ever drove the other guy off the track in defense to hold position?
Yes every driver has. But Max is on another planet when it comes to this stuff. If you think differently, fine. I'll stay in agreement with the stewards.
Use drive through penalty to serve time penalty, must be done within 2 laps. Make time penalties multiplicative against points on license. 20s accrued time penalty in any race means you get to participate in the next race in the comfort of your own home. 3 such blag flags in any season means you get to stay home for the rest of the season.
Sir Lewis is driving for the SF team next year, so long as he or Leclerc wins then i will be happy. Personally i think Sainz would be the better option, he has matured into a crafty racer. Fred has got rid of the donkeys in the team and now they are starting to click, long may it continue, trouble is i am sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for a F-up. Sir Lewis must know something, his move from Mclaren to Mercedes was a master stroke when they were a third rate team. Lets hope he has the same effect for 2025 and the SF team keeps winning. As for the bias press, i didnt see much evidence here of bias towards Norris after the COTA debacle, certainly for the Mexican GP which was justified. The more rules you make the more rules you need to cover the loopholes. I think several posters have nailed it, running off the track has to have consequences to your actions. FWIW - Verstappens move was stupid but you could see the red mist getting bigger several corners before.
I personally think the outside of each corner should be littered with large Mario Kart-style hazards like spikes, fire, barrel-throwing monkeys, etc.
Seems like you never raced before. You have bias in favour of that reckless kid named Verstappen. Stewards finally punished the infractor so it's a good thing. Hopefully the same will happen in the next GPs.
Yeah but some tracks are used in motorcycle racing so it's safer having paved runoffs. Maybe they should put a gravel strip like they did in Austria. It's cheaper to replace.
Delusion at it's finest Nothing said has anything to do with my own racing experience. You're tying to make it personal I guess? Even though I directly answered you stating I think Verstappen deserved a penalty you just simply can't see that? Penalizing drivers forcing others off the track and dive bombing, I am all for it. Can we have those penalties apply to all the drivers? That level of fairness can't be called biased can it? You can wish Verstappen gets penalized each race all you want, but can you accept it Lando or Lewis or Leclerc gets penalized? I don't see you crying foul about any of the examples from other drivers. Kind of biased wouldn't you say?
The problem began when kerbs were first added--and got worse when they started paving everything except the actual track. Have nicely manicured and well watered grass ¼" off the paved un-kerbed surface, and cars will not take advantage.
Paved runoff is safer for cars too. But it is not without consequence. I agree that gravel strips are worth trying.
Leave a cars width of room if the guy is along side before turn in - defined as wheel overlap. If they try after turn in, that's a dive bomb and no room need be left.
Here's the problem: dive-bombing and running the opposition off the track is good drama, and good drama is good ratings, not good racing. My suspicion is that the powers that be secretly love this nonsense because it keeps the new fans interested. Those who have been around for awhile know it's trash racing.
LCH is certainly an aggressive driver. No one gets to F1, let alone becoming even an one time WDC without having 100% belief in yourself, and a large does of arrogance and aggression. Occasionally he's gone over the line, but that's a relative rarity for him, he's known as a clean racer. Max isn't. I hold first Senna, then Schumacher, responsible for current driving standards. I think everyone, myself included, rates those two as some of the most talented drivers to ever step in cars. I will never rate either of them in my top five best drivers, becasue beside their obvious and undoubted skill, they were both dirty drivers from day one, who act exactly as Max does now. They (Senna, Schui, Max) race hard and overly aggressive, anyone who comes of second best is just not as good in their mind, and anyone who stands their ground against them gets called out for being dangerous and out of control by them and their pandering team bosses (Dennis, Todd, Horner and the whole RB gang). But Senna, Schui, Max have all exhibited dirty driving over and over again. Schui got thrown out of the championship one year, pushing people off track, Monaco quali etc.. Senna, numerous issues, kicked out of Suzuka, hell called out by JYS and others, then went on a cry baby tirade about how your not a race driver if you don't go for a gap. Max was a petulant brat when he got to F1, fast, but erratic, immature, and couldn't own up to any mistake. Everything was someone else's fault. Over the next few years, and up until late last year, I was changing my view on him. He seemed to be maturing, making fewer Bansi low percentage passes, that could only work if the other driver got completely out of his way, or risk floods of cry baby tears. Last year, dspite having the best car, he was on fire as a driver. He was certainly the best driver of the year. He WAS getting better. But this year, as the dominance has gone down, he is right back to dirty fighting and assuming the seas will part for lord Maximillioncrybaby. Now before you start crying wa wa what about Lewis? When he lost the dominant car, yes he might have whined more. But he didn't start driving people of track while claiming to be the victim every time. For those who try and say otherwise, you re picking and choosing facts to make your weak case, and defend your hatred of Lewis.
