The passing dilema in F1 - What's your take?

There's an entire case study on the 2014 battle between Hamilton vs Rosberg in the primer I use when I coach high schoolers just starting out in karts. The notion that he isn't known for running drivers wide is categorically false.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

 

In any case, we cannot correct what was done wrongly in the past, so we better concentrate on what happens now, and put it right.

 

Say what you will about NASCAR...

 

Sounds like F1.

 

All right, you two, enough of that!
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Villenueve goes for the gap and there's gravel outside the turn.


1997 European GP (Jerez) - Schumacher/Villeneuve crash

 

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I contend that if Schumi just waited a little bit more before instinctively turning in to protect the corner, Villeneuve would have just sailed through and ended up in the gravel.

But at least Villeneuve tried to put on a proper pass down the inside instead of what NOR Lewis trying to do to VER, going around the outside and putting himself in a position to get pushed wide. If you’re going to do an outside pass, you better make sure you get through.

 

There are a lot great outside passes in F1 history. Drivers who has success and won races that way. Beautiful to watch. Why do you blame those drivers for putting themselves in that position (aka racing) but not blame the dirty inside drivers for running them off track?

 

This is more of a case study on why you want to run the cars higher--because if you end up in a gravel trap, you can still continue racing.

 

I think you meant to type “alluded” (rather than eluded)

 

Lewis Hamilton Onboard Crash With Oscar Piastri During Italian Grand Prix 2023


When are you going to treat Lewis with the same energy?

 

Its got dumb and just meddling in racing perhaps to spice up the anger and discussion. What else is there to discuss?

Watch Mansell own Berger in 1990 Mexico both would wipe the floor with the current crop of..........clue "junior cats"

 

You can't pick a random crash by Sir Lewis Hamilton (and yes he was at fault) and instantly put him in the Max , Schumacher category. In that case you could find a video of every driver and do the same. What I'm talking about is Max constantly getting penalized for this driving. There is a reason Max has this reckless reputation and Sir Lewis Hamilton has been labeled one of the cleanest driving champions. You all use to say it was Sir Lewis Hamilton who caused the accidents when in battle with Max . But now we see Max clashing with Lando constantly. So the common denominator is Max driving. Sir Lewis Hamilton has won more races than Max the second part of the season, now that Max doesn't have a dominant car.

 

yes very true. Villeneuve was a problem as well - but mostly to himself... he was a clean racer... but I would say he was one of the first ones who "went for it 100% of the time"

 

with all the tech today, why dont they just build the cars with line sensors, and if the sensor crosses the line with x number of wheels, it simply cuts the power to the car for x seconds? that will improve the driving .... because they are forced to.

 

Lewis invented pushing people wide at starts of Grand Prix's. So stop living on planet delusional. They all do it. It happened 3-4 times after max did it sunday. The common denominator is not max, its the tracks. There is no penalty for staying on the outside other than coming on the radio and bitching about being pushed wide. The tracks used to police this nonsense.

 

I'm in line with the stewards regarding driving drivers off track. Max/Schumacher has been given more punishment for driving reckless. Anybody who ignore this fact is living in delusion. A driver like Max will drive dirty if he can't win. Doesn't matter what track. Doesn't matter whether its policed. I watch drivers on track, when they drive dirty , I don't get into the habit of blaming the track, stewards , and everybody but the driver. I blame the driver.

 

My take, I was disheartened with turn 1, top of the hill, at COTA, as one example.
Car on the inside runs wide on purpose to force outside car off the track.

Should the outside car brake and then follow?

I'd guess as other has written, that gravel/ grass on these run off areas be installed.
But, the run wide/ block issue remains.

I have no answer

 

Its a shame for lewsi though,

 

And then it can automatically call out the safety car and marshal crew to clear the wreckage from the TTO spin!

 

I would say Michael Schumacher started that trend.
If he was on the front line, he immediatly used to change lane to squeeze his opponent against the wall/guardrail, forcing him to lift.

 

I would have never compared Gilles with Senna on this respect