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  1. leopoldo

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    #4851 leopoldo, Sep 17, 2022
    … so why they should say that they are gonna produced more ps than what they “ can “ ?
     
  2. JTSE30

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    #4852 JTSE30, Sep 17, 2022
    What was really said is unclear:

    https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/ferrari-purosangue-interest-spiked-when-v12-was-announced
    The company has previously said Purosangue production would be capped at around 20 per cent of Ferrari’s annual output
    (ok, that is from the factory)

    (this next part is complete fabrication/conjecture)
    which, based on an installed 15,000 annual capacity, equals around 3000 units per annum.

    reality check:
    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1134952_ferrari-delivered-record-11-155-cars-in-2021
    For 2021, the automaker managed to deliver 11,155 cars, which is a new record

    20% of 11,155 is 2231, which is a "conceivable goal", yet even that will be too high, but much closer to what I believe Galliera intended...though, even that is not clear since Galliera's comments lacked clarity and did not actually reveal what that "annual output" would be for the 20%, what was reported (above) is not what Ferrari stated...it is made up by reporters...
     
  3. 635CSI

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    #4853 635CSI, Sep 17, 2022
    I am surprised and pleased by the design.
    I have no desire to ever own one, but the fear that an SUV would damage the marque has somewhat dissipated.
    I would still like to see a new 2 plus 2 one day.
     
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    #4855 635CSI, Sep 17, 2022
    scrub my marque image fear dissipated comment above.
     
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  6. MDEL

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    #4856 MDEL, Sep 17, 2022
    That's a good question that I don't have an answer for.
     
  7. JTSE30

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    #4857 JTSE30, Sep 17, 2022
    I do, see post #4852

    and, another thought on this "other engine" future, wouldn't that completely destroy the name "Purosangue", seems such a "stallion" could only use a V12...and that eventual all-electric version, it most certainly will have a new name, after all, they hired Jony Ive to design it...and Jony likes tactile controls...!
    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/legendary-iphone-designer-jony-ive-is-not-a-fan-of-touchscreen-controls-in-vehicles-198393.html
     
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    #4858 SVCalifornia, Sep 17, 2022
    Am I misremembering or was the initial reveal to “best customers” by invitation only meant for the V12 version only?

    Speculation at the time as it was less than 1000 customers, perhaps far less. Given the ramping down of the 812 line more V12s will be available. Icona models also require the same V12 supply line.

    However, V8/hybrid/EV versions should be available and make up the bulk sales. I expect these to begin shipping in 2 years after the initial V12 version is completed.

    SV
     
  9. leopoldo

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    #4859 leopoldo, Sep 17, 2022
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    Well purosangue means “ pure blood/breed “ … so if they ‘ll change the name only because they’ll change the engine … this means that all the Ferrari without a v12 are not “ pure blood/purosangue “ cars?mhmm… I think the name should fix well also with other engines because of that. Probably with “ purosangue “ they want only to say you : ok it is a bit a “ tall car” but still a Pure Ferrari ( this is my interpretation ). I have read in an article that Galliera told that the car will reach no more than 20% of the total delivered Ferrari cars during the next 4/5 years , so… maybe 3500 v12 cars for the first two years and than other 8/9000 ? .. with another engine ..?

    this is the article . Source “ Quattroruote “ Italy . Probably the most important and historical car magazine in Italy.

    https://www.quattroruote.it/news/nuovi-modelli/2022/09/14/ferrari_e_gia_boom_di_ordini_per_la_purosangue.html

    … so to say 20% of the total shipment during the first 4/5 years is probably a bit different than to say 20% of the total shipment of EVERY year. I don’t know if there is a video with this interview, maybe we can understand better…
     
  10. day355

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    #4860 day355, Sep 17, 2022
    Everything has been planned for 7,000 cars with the possibility of extending by 20%.
    The full electric version has a different code, so an evolving name
     
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    #4861 JTSE30, Sep 17, 2022
    The PS name, to me is all about the engine..that's all, and, apparently to CEO Vigna too, he is quoted in another article from May as proclaiming:

    "The name Purosangue speaks for itself, the car is the daughter of our tradition, of our 12-cylinder"

    now, on to the production ideas...

    Actually it indicates '11,000' for a 4/5 year production run...

    11000 / 5 = 2200/year

    technically possible with current factory V12 output with small increases year over year

    but the word "capped" offers an "easy out" to ensure if eventual production is less, well, they did say it would be "capped" at no more than...20%

    And, that "prediction" leaves essentially no room for another engine in the PS...each will be born with a V12!
     
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    #4862 JTSE30, Sep 17, 2022
    Apparently 2000 VIPs were at the reveal, presumably each has ordered...
     
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    #4863 Glenn Quagmire, Sep 17, 2022
    No idea on the numbers. What I do know is that there were three of us from one U.S. based dealer, who were invited by Ferrari to attend…having been picked for early allocations. Only one of the three of us was able attend (not me).

    Each of us was required to place a deposit and sign a contract regarding selling the vehicle. It’s clear Ferrari does not want these vehicles being flipped.
     
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    #4864 plastique999, Sep 17, 2022
    Ouch! Door sills already scratched [emoji2357]


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    #4865 4re4ever, Sep 17, 2022
    I still remember as a kid the first time I got into a Ferrari.. As my hand touched the door handle, I hear this firm voice say DO NOT put your foot on the door sills EVER. Never forgot that first lesson lol.
     
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    #4866 anunakki, Sep 17, 2022
    Herre is the most interesting tidbit to me...

    The PS is only 8" taller than the Lusso.
     
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    #4867 Bundy, Sep 17, 2022
    Who cares, Eddie?! [emoji13]

    Prettiest Purosangue photo yet [emoji1316]
     
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    #4868 Ferrari 308 GTB, Sep 17, 2022
    Gotta love those shields;)
     
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    #4869 Newjoint, Sep 18, 2022
    And I thought red didn’t look good on the PS!


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  20. leopoldo

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    #4870 leopoldo, Sep 18, 2022
    so if your numbers are right the car has been offered not only to TOP and VIP but also to people who has bought 1/2 Ferrari maybe recently.
     
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    #4871 leopoldo, Sep 18, 2022
    so…if 2000 were attended and your proportion is correct 1 up 4 , means 8000 who has already paid a deposit, this means not only TOP and VIP .. I don’t understand..we wil see..
     
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    #4872 MDEL, Sep 18, 2022
    From 1956 Quattroruote is one of the most prestigious and authoritative motoring magazines in the world. For the ones who can't read Italian and have no access to this magazine below is the translation of one of the latest articles about the Purosangue written by Roberto Lo Vechio.

    FERRARI PUROSANGUE HERESY OR REVOLUTION?

    We are at the “redde rationem” giving an account of all taboos, stereotypes, prejudices. Confronting Ferrari with its ghosts (who doesn't have them?), including the most illustrious one, "Drake" himself, to whom the historical curse is attributed: “Never a four-door Ferrari”. Although some argue that he did not mind the Pinin concept, a four-door sedan with a horse on the hood, with which Sergio Pininfarina decided in 1980 to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the bodywork and the genius of his father. Or, perhaps, it was the respect for a historical partner that suggested to Enzo Ferrari indulgence towards a project that was not exactly in his strings. In fact, nothing came of it, and it took forty-two years to see four doors in a Ferrari. And not a prototype, but a production car. Let's not joke, the Purosangue does not break taboos. It simply crumbles them.

    A world you don't expect. Now fans will be able to discuss from dawn to dusk, dividing themselves between in favor and against this new interpretation of a myth. They may even be scandalized. They will be able to remember that all the great leaders of the Prancing Horse brand, from Montezemolo to Marchionne, have repeatedly ruled out that Ferrari could be declined with four doors and in the form of an SUV. Until 2018, when the Purosangue was officially announced. And now we are here, in front of four doors that do not just open, but open wide in an enveloping embrace that tells you: “Come, enter. And discover a world you wouldn't expect ”. Yes, because the Ferrari paradigm also changes inside, with interiors as luxurious and intimate as they have never been. And never even been so spacious. Thanks also to a structure of the seats that allows them to be kept very thin. But be careful, because the Purosangue changes, yes, the references of the brand. Yes, it introduces a revolution in the parameters we were all used to, but it does so without betraying the Ferrari DNA. Interpreting both the theme of the high body and the multiplication of doors in an original way.


    The memory of Leonardo Fioravanti. "We made a very modern car, low, sleek and with a very generous wheelbase, which rewarded habitability". Speaking are not the designers of the team led by Flavio Manzoni, who signed the Purosangue, but another historic pencil, who has, let's say, some experience with Ferraris: Leonardo Fioravanti, who told Quattroruote how the Pinin concept was born , four decades ago. The closest experiment to producing a Red with four doors. "It was not born as a prototype for the series", remembers the Milanese engineer, who at the time, in 1980, was general manager of Pininfarina, "but simply as a tribute by Sergio to his father Pinin, that the idea of a Ferrari four doors had repeatedly caressed her. However, at the Turin Motor Show the concept had a generally positive reception and therefore some meetings were held between us and Ferrari in which possible industrial prospects were also discussed. We also took her on tour in the United States, where she raised conflicting opinions ”. In short, then - as probably today - the idea of the four doors was destined to cause discussion.


    Project ahead of its time. In the end, Pinin remained an isolated dream. Maybe too ahead of its time. “The whole project was very modern, futuristic, and not only in terms of design”, Fioravanti still remembers. With very clean lines that anticipated the trends of the following years. And with a wraparound windshield that extended visually into the glazing of the front doors. The car was designed by Diego Ottina, but Fioravanti, in addition to validating the style, added a personal touch, with a tunnel that ran over the roof, above the passengers' heads, from the windshield to the rear window, which served as the control center of a series of on-board functions. "The doors touched the roof", recalls the designer, "to facilitate entry into a body shop that we wanted to keep as low as possible". Today, the Purosangue is not so low, but just as “studied” on a functional level.

    Today, the same search for meanings. The imposing and very long bonnet, the elusive roof, the short and enveloping tail make the Purosangue an object in itself, which stands out from the same "testosterone" sport utilities of the competition, and which make it look more like a raised GT than a Suv in the strict sense. And the four doors? The four doors, according to the House's own designers, have been designed so as not to compromise the performance of the car. That is to say without affecting the pace too much, because if you stretch it too much you lose your agility. Hence, the wardrobe shape (or book, if you prefer). That type of layout, in fact, ensures excellent accessibility, even to the rear seats, while keeping the rear door clutter very low, and thus avoids lengthening the wheelbase, so as not to compromise agility and performance. dynamics. In short, tall (relatively), spacious, like a "family", but still a Ferrari.
     
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  23. aobao1993

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    #4873 aobao1993, Sep 18, 2022
    Confirmation？
    What is the code？ F245？
     
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    #4874 aobao1993, Sep 18, 2022
    Marcel， what is the production of PS？
     
  25. day355

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    #4875 day355, Sep 18, 2022
    This is the maximum capacity, without affecting the rest of the range
     
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