Trulli's in big trouble - Briatore

Good point!

Set, Match....Psk!!!

 

you mean a bit like Beckham has done....TWICE!!! and is still alive and well last time Posh checked under her bed

It was a mistake Pete, we all make them, even MS has made several "mistakes" that I can recall, running into Hill in 94, running into JV in 97, outsmarted by MH in 00, running into the back of DC while a WHOLE lap ahead (can't remember the year).

I think you are too hard on him and he has won one more GP than you or I

 

I thought that Trulli had already renewed his contract with Renault. But here is what is actually going on

The sticking-point in Renault's '05 line-up is Jarno Trulli. The Italian is reportedly asking for 'more money' and thinking-over 'an offer from Toyota.'
Source GMM / CAPSIS International

Sorry if I created any cofusion.

 

Well that was not waht telemetry did show. Telemetry showed how Ralf acccelerated in the tunnel when he was being lapped by Alonso, effectivly pushing Alonso into the dirt part of the track and causing the accident. Sure Alonso could have waited to overtake Ralf, but Ralf did acctually decelerate to let him pass forcing Alonso to such move or lose time. He did what he had to not lose time, so he took the risk, which is exactlly what we were saying before in this thread.

That is no foolish of Alonso, that is one more example of Ralf being somebody that should be taken off F1 before he kills somebody.

I do not have an opinion on Trulli yet. But Alonso is 22 years old, and only 2 years of experience in F1. He has scored more points in 2 years just for Renault than Trulli has ever done for any of all the teams he has been in. He is deffenitly way better than Trulli, just wait.

- Julio.

 

Interesting news about the telemetry. I figured something along those lines had to have happened they way Alonso was furious.

sjb509, you need to consider the difference in experience in F1. Alonso and Trulli each got one victory, but after how many races? However I have to say that until now Trulli seemed to steal away Alonso's thunder this season and was a bit perplexed by that. But I think Alonso found his balance again. His drive in Magny Cours definitely showed that.

Imperial83, I wasn't certain, but I'm glad you looked into it. I thought I remembered, that Trulli's deal wasn't cast in concrete and obviously it isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if Alonso gets another team mate for 05.

Maybe Trulli can help DC run his hotel in Monaco?

 

I agree to some degree. Trulli is a very fast driver, specially in one shot or looking for poles, but he suffers from loosing concentration, he can not keep a fast peace most of the time.

Alonso has not been very lucky either this season. He was set for a very good finish of not a win in the US GP, but look what happend. Same at Monaco, no to mention the multiple times that the car has failed/broke along the season when he was in a position tho have a good finish or even a podium.

I might be a little biassed because my nationality... however there are not that many drivers at the F1 that I enjoy watching as Alonso. He uses to gain consistently 3 to 5 positions uppon his start position in the grid (when he finishes), if no more. Did you remember the start at the US GP? He went from 9th to 3rd just before the 1st corner, and in what memorable way he did that! The only driver that I have seen doing things like that is MS.

But this might be object for another thread discussion.

- Julio.

 

Trulli did a bad thing in France, no question. However he did keep his game together in Monaco and in Spain, where he hung on to Alonso to the end. He can keep his concentration.

jbanzai, since you're from Spain: Do you believe that the Madrid bombings have negatively affected Alonso to the point that he had poor results or is that just hogwash by the news media?

 

It might had an effect back then in March and April, but I do not think that is the case now. We all were affected at the time to the point that it had an impact in the way we looked at life, so I guess that could be more noticiable in people who takes risks like the F1 drivers does.

I think Alonso performance has been affected more by car troubles than antything else. He has mentioned before that he was more confortable until recently with past year's car.

The look for more HP in the Renault had affected for worse their relaibility and and the car balance, and yet, they are still about 100 hp below the Ferraris and Hondas.

The next races are going to be better ground for the Renaults, I think, were HP will make less difference that the driver abilities. We will see what happens in Hungaroring, Shangai and Suzuka. I don't think they will do anything noticiable at Monza though.

- Julio.

 

i must concur with Julio that Ralf belongs in NASCAR. selfish dangerous b.st,rd of a driver.

Trulli has been here long enough, if he had any Senna in him, it would have shown by now... Monaco was a superb, complete drive tho' but a once in a lifetime for him...

and alonso is unknown.... but possibly great.

this year's greatest performance and amusement comes from sato bar none!!!!!!

 

...and Danika Patrick.......

 

So you are refering to the 6 times he has manged to cause Honda engine failure and smoke works by droping the rpms of the car too low before shifting gears. Wow you are a great judge of driving talent!

Sato would not have been in F1 had it not been for Honda sponsorship. Honda use him for marketing in japan and to sell more t-shirts. He is blocking the F1 seat for a talented drivers like Timo Glock and Anthony Davidson. Even the BAR team Principal has admitted that Sato is becoming too expensive for the team.

 

What??

 

Yes, Sato is causing those engine failures at BAR Honda!

 

ok...how?

 

Obviously you missed this thread:

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23073

 

Yes there it is! I was looking for that.
Thanks

 

well young man,

did i say he was a good driver? i said his performances were great and amusing, that is ENTERTAINING and to me they are -- he's much faster than i ever expected he could be and made some righteous passing moves... the show is pretty boring now, i now longer get up at 4 am in LA to watch qualifying live, or even 5 am to watch the race, just catch the replay... at least Sato is entertaining and shows unexpected flashes. and only Honda knows if he is the engine problem

your sour grapes could be applied to 80% of the F1 drivers.

 

Going back to the subject of this thread. I think Trulli just made a simple mistake, amateurish, but not that unusual.

In F1 is difficult to see that tight arrivals a the finish lane, the gaps are usually larger and threfore you don't see anybody making these mistakes.

But if you watch Moto GP, these kind of errors happens all the time, it is call 'pressure'!

This should not be that big of a deal. IMHO!

- Julio.

 

Trulli really doesn't have an excuse here as he knew where RB was and has been battling with him for the last few laps. He was simply day dreaming about that podium spot.

Actually in Trulli's position I would have even feared an aggressive and desperate attack. Not that RB is so desperate, but that corner lends itself to that kind of maneuver, similar to the chicane in Suzuka. You can risk a (relative) low speed push in the last lap. Even if it doesn't quite work, you can probably still make the immediate s/f line. But chances are you pass the car ahead without that one standing a chance to retaliate.

 

I agree, I am not saying there is an excuse, it was a mistake.

What I am saying is that is not only him who makes this kind of mistakes, many other profesional drivers/riders does all the time. It is simple, some can take pressure better than others, usually they do it right and nothing happens. That is the trick, if you can't pass you push it as much as you can until the guy in front makes a mistake.

And I am sure that even MS had this kind of mistakes. If it is or it is not acceptable for Renault, that is a different story.

- Julio.

 

Jerez comes to mind immediately.

 

Lets not get too nostalgic now!

I am sure that the Renault management has to act tough in the media, but inside they won't go and castrate him.