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Upgrade F8 Tributo to 296 GTB?

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  1. DaveTheWav3

    DaveTheWav3 Karting

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    This is just my own personal perspective, but I don't really understand people that get really fast cars but then never take it to a track to push the car and explore the limits. Mainly because that is SO MUCH FUN! But to each his own


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  2. 05F430F1

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    because some of us don't have the kind of money it takes to rent a professional track and beat on a car like that and then pay for repairs too.... At least, that's my reason.... and aren't part of some special club that can have access to a track.

    the list goes on for me...

    I refuse to wear seat belts
    If you have to wear a helmet, that would risk rubbing it against interior parts and causing scuffs
    I don't know how to drive well enough to be worth going on a track
    fear of damage mechanically and cosmetically
    Hurts the tires
    Embarrassing to be part of a 'special group'- I don't like getting special treatment
     
  3. Ivan Drago

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    Those are two big issues in my opinion, though. Starting a Ferrari should have a feeling to it with a button, and hvac controls should be able to done without taking your eyes off the road.

    Also, CarPlay should not replace the tach/dash when driving. It’s amazing that Ferrari can do so many difficult parts correct and get the seemingly easy things wrong
     
  4. Divexxtreme

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    Well, since all you’re bringing up are subjective points, I can say it is absolutely better in looks, style and class. These are called “opinions”. See how that works?

    What is not subjective (opinions) is that the 296 outperforms the F8 in every way imaginable.
     
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    lol, you owning all 3 cars and saying the 296 is better.... IS YOUR OPINION>>> so weird.... and as for performance numbers go, you'll never notice ANY of it, ever. NONE, not at this level-- completely useless differences.
     
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  6. DaveTheWav3

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    The biggest cost is tires. My Sport Cup 2 R's cost 3100 installed and lasted 2 full track days. I've used 3 sets of tires this year (PZ4s that came with the car and Super Sports last about 5 track days each). The registration fee for track days is pretty reasonable, usually less than $500 per day. I wore out my brake pads after 8 track days, and I replaced them myself ($2000 for new pads). The SCCA runs Track Night events that cost $180. You only get 3 sessions vs 6-7 in a full track day, but it's a ripping good deal.

    And it's not a race so you go at your own pace. But after pushing your car on a track, street driving, even fast feels very tame and pedestrian.

    Just my 2 cents
     
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    hahahaha HOLY SH*T!! I thought it was bad but didn't know it was only 2 DAYS for tires!!!!! hahahahahaha insanity.
     
  8. DaveTheWav3

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    Thats why you should track cars that are this fast. The only way to safely explore the limits and frankly, it's what the cars were designed for
     
  9. DaveTheWav3

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    Yeah, track use takes a lot more energy out of the tires. The Sport Cup 2 Rs would probably last 14,000 miles on the street vs 250 miles on a track

    This is what happened to my Super Sports when I pushed it and went to a 6th track day on them. HAHA. Worn right down to the cords. Next year, I'm not sure what tires I'll use. The Sport Cup 2 Rs were 4 seconds a lap faster for me, and I definitely have more room to find time with them. But...it's not like I'm gonna win anything for that and the Super Sports are PLENTY fast
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  10. Ivan Drago

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    Todd, you refuse to wear your seat belt? Lol man you are something.

    250 miles on the track seems crazy low, is that specific to the 296? The Cup 2's on my GT4 have done a bit more than that already on the track and look in much better condition. I know there are other factors at play such as the track itself, drivers ability, temperature etc, but still
     
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    These are Cup 2 R's, with the 140 tw rating. The regular Cup 2's have 180. But I think it has to do with a heavier car (the F8 is just under 3500 lbs) and those days were at the Ridge which has a lot of high speed corners. And I'm pushing pretty hard. The wear is mostly on the right side though. I think if I rotated the tires from right to left, I could get another day in. But my wheels are directional and the Ferrari of Seattle race director says there is an aerodynamic effect with the spokes extracting heat from the brakes. So not sure I want to do that until I get a set of track wheels that are non directional
     
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  12. Divexxtreme

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    I noticed it all the time on the street. The 296 is way quicker, has way more grip then the F8, a better suspension and a better/faster transmission. I noticed it every time I drove it. It's simply a better performance car in every objective way (acceleration, braking, lap times). Those are facts. It also sounds way better (which of course is an opinion).

    We can all have our own opinions, but we can't have our own facts.
     
  13. DaveTheWav3

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    The sound is what surprised me the most. The 296 sounds SO GOOD. That's actually the one thing I'm most disappointed in with my F8. The muffler delete helped a little, but still not where I want it to be
     
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  14. Ivan Drago

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    That's awesome you were actually tracking the hell out of the F8. Not many actually track cars. I hope you enjoyed yourself. How did you find the F8 on the track?
     
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    I ended up with a Valvetronic exhaust and 200-cell cats on my F8, which helped for sure, but my stock 296 still sounded better.
     
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    It drives like a dream. It's so easy to control the slip angles in the front and back. And the limits are SO HIGH, it's absolutely exhilarating
     
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    Nice heated discussion. I agree, the track does not mean anything, These cars are set up to be ROAD CARS, its that simple. 90 % of owners, here included , DO NOT HAVE THE SKILL TO DRIVE THESE CARS AT THE LIMIT and acquire proper lap times, its that simple. Driving shifter karts around a track is more fun and takes more skill, so theres that. Whether or not one Ferrari tracks better than another makes no difference, they are cars designed for street use . If you want a Ferrari for the track, buy a 333 SP, and be done with it . My 328 is awesome in the canyons, maybe a little more HP would be nice, but thats it. Anything else is just overkill. I dont want to drive a Ferrari with a V6 and an electric motor , no matter what. I dont care how good you say it sounds, its not going to be as good as a Tubid 355, or lets say an 812 at full song on the 101 FreewAY, believe me, I know because I heard one on the opposite side of the freeway with my windows closed going south, it was insane to say the least. Im in So Cal, and I never, really ever see anyone in the canyons in a Ferrari , and Im there all the time for the past 37 years . I see them in Bev Hills, and up in Calabasas , West Lake Village, and of course in So Orange county, Newport Beach etc. I myself would not want to put any Ferrari through the abuse of taking it on the track, shifter karts are way more fun and a lot less money . almost forgot, many years ago I remember a guy in a 355 on Decker Canyon, I was in my Rx7. He ended up folding his car around a tree, so theres that.

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  18. Divexxtreme

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    See, this part I actually agree with. I wholeheartedly support and agree that it's completely your prerogative to feel the way you do about a specific car. Just like it's mine and others' prerogative to want to drive the 296 and/or SF90. To me, they're amazing, and I get a massive amount of joy driving and owning them! As do many other Ferrari owners. Thankfully there are plenty of Ferrari models out there, both old and new, for us to choose from.

    Glad we can agree on something!
     
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  19. REALZEUS

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    The ones who want top performance will get the 296.
     
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  20. willcrook

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    there's no special group, at least in the UK there's tons of track days anyone can attend and you don't have to rent a full track!

    refusing to wear seat belts deffo means you shouldn't be ever going on the track though (really unsafe on the road too but that's your choice!)

    I agree that it isn't cheap though in terms of wear etc but it will give you a true insight at just how capable the cars are
     
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    The ones who want top performance are the ones who dont know how to drive , so it does not really matter, especially where you live , the weather and roads suck, so theres that.

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  22. willcrook

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    I respect your purist point of view but imo modern ferraris really aren't bad at all on track if you can stomach the costs and lets be realistic, not everyone wants to go in a go-kart instead!
     
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  23. DaveTheWav3

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    That's just ignorance. In the advanced groups in track days there are tons of former pro racers in fast cars. Have you ever done a track day?
     
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    I used to race Tag 125 karts in SoCal (absolutely loved Moran Raceway before Home Depot bought the land and tore it doen), but it's nothing like tracking a really fast car. The karts will get around turns faster, but the difference in straightline speed is massive, especially at a track with a decent straight and high speed turns.
     
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  25. Ivan Drago

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    what an absurd post
     
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