We have become a nation of women (some profanity and not for the weak)

Discussion in 'Other Off Topic Forum' started by Kds, Aug 4, 2004.

  1. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    One of the best essays that I have read in a while. Definitely not for the PC crowd.

    The Pussification Of The Western Male

    Kim du Toit

    November 5, 2003

    We have become a nation of women.

    It wasn't always this way, of course. There was a time when men put their signatures to a document, knowing full well that this single act would result in their execution if captured, and in the forfeiture of their property to the State. Their wives and children would be turned out by the soldiers, and their farms and businesses most probably given to someone who didn't sign the document.

    There was a time when men went to their certain death, with expressions like "You all can go to hell. I'm going to Texas." (Davy Crockett, to the House of Representatives, before going to the Alamo.)

    There was a time when men went to war, sometimes against their own families, so that other men could be free. And there was a time when men went to war because we recognized evil when we saw it, and knew that it had to be stamped out.

    There was even a time when a President of the United States threatened to punch a man in the face and kick him in the balls, because the man had the temerity to say bad things about the President's daughter's singing.

    We're not like that anymore.

    Now, little boys in grade school are suspended for playing cowboys and Indians, cops and crooks, and all the other familiar variations of "good guy vs. bad guy" that helped them learn, at an early age, what it was like to have decent men hunt you down, because you were a lawbreaker.

    Now, men are taught that violence is bad -- that when a thief breaks into your house, or threatens you in the street, that the proper way to deal with this is to "give him what he wants", instead of taking a horsewhip to the rascal or shooting him dead where he stands.

    Now, men's fashion includes not a man dressed in a three-piece suit, but a tight sweater worn by a man with breasts.

    Now, warning labels are indelibly etched into gun barrels, as though men have somehow forgotten that guns are dangerous things.

    Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed.

    And finally, our President, who happens to have been a qualified fighter pilot, lands on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit, and is immediately dismissed with words like "swaggering", "macho" and the favorite epithet of Euro girly-men, "cowboy". Of course he was bound to get that reaction -- and most especially from the Press in Europe, because the process of male pussification Over There is almost complete.

    How did we get to this?

    In the first instance, what we have to understand is that America is first and foremost, a culture dominated by one figure: Mother. It wasn't always so: there was a time when it was Father who ruled the home, worked at his job, and voted.

    But in the twentieth century, women became more and more involved in the body politic, and in industry, and in the media -- and mostly, this has not been a good thing. When women got the vote, it was inevitable that government was going to become more powerful, more intrusive, and more "protective" (ie. more coddling), because women are hard-wired to treasure security more than uncertainty and danger. It was therefore inevitable that their feminine influence on politics was going to emphasize (lowercase "s") social security.

    I am aware of the fury that this statement is going to arouse, and I don't give a f***.

    What I care about is the fact that since the beginning of the twentieth century, there has been a concerted campaign to denigrate men, to reduce them to figures of fun, and to render them impotent, figuratively speaking.

    I'm going to illustrate this by talking about TV, because TV is a reliable barometer of our culture.

    In the 1950s, the TV Dad was seen as the lovable goofball -- perhaps the beginning of the trend -- BUT he was still the one who brought home the bacon, and was the main source of discipline (think of the line: "Wait until your father gets home!").

    From that, we went to this: the Cheerios TV ad.

    Now, for those who haven't seen this piece of ****, I'm going to go over it, from memory, because it epitomizes everything I hate about the campaign to pussify men. The scene opens at the morning breakfast table, where the two kids are sitting with Dad at the table, while Mom prepares stuff on the kitchen counter. The dialogue goes something like this:

    Little girl (note, not little boy): Daddy, why do we eat Cheerios?
    Dad: Because they contain fiber, and all sorts of stuff that's good for the heart. I eat it now, because of that.
    LG: Did you always eat stuff that was bad for your heart, Daddy?
    Dad (humorously): I did, until I met your mother.
    Mother (not humorously): Daddy did a lot of stupid things before he met your mother.

    Now, every time I see that TV ad, I have to be restrained from shooting the TV with a .45 Colt. If you want a microcosm of how men have become less than men, this is the perfect example.

    What Dad should have replied to Mommy's little dig: Yes, Sally, that's true: I did do a lot of stupid things before I met your mother. I even slept with your Aunt Ruth a few times, before I met your mother.

    That's what I would have said, anyway, if my wife had ever attempted to castrate me in front of the kids like that.

    But that's not what men do, of course. What this guy is going to do is smile ruefully, finish his cereal, and then go and f*** his secretary, who doesn't try to cut his balls off on a daily basis. Then, when the affair is discovered, people are going to rally around the castrating ***** called his wife, and call him all sorts of names. He'll lose custody of his kids, and they will be brought up by our ultimate modern-day figure of sympathy: The Single Mom.

    You know what? Some women deserve to be single moms.

    When I first started this website, I think my primary aim was to blow off steam at the stupidity of our society.

    Because I have fairly set views on what constitutes right and wrong, I have no difficulty in calling Bill Clinton, for example, a f***ing liar and hypocrite.

    But most of all, I do this website because I love being a man. Amongst other things, I talk about guns, self-defense, politics, beautiful women, sports, warfare, hunting, and power tools -- all the things that being a man entails. All this stuff gives me pleasure.

    And it doesn't take much to see when all the things I love are being threatened: for instance, when Tim Allen's excellent comedy routine on being a man is reduced to a f***ing sitcom called Home Improvement. The show should have been called Man Improvement, because that's what every single plotline entailed: turning a man into a "better" person, instead of just leaving him alone to work on restoring the vintage sports car in his garage. I stopped watching the show after about four episodes.

    ("The Man Show" was better, at least for the first season -- men leering at chicks, men f***ing around with ridiculous games like "pin the bra on the boobies", men having beer-drinking competitions, and women on trampolines. Excellent stuff, only not strong enough. I don't watch it anymore, either, because it's plain that the idea has been subverted by girly-men, and turned into a parody of itself.)

    Finally, we come to the TV show which to my mind epitomizes everything bad about what we have become: Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Playing on the Bravo Channel, this piece of excrement has taken over the popular culture by storm (and so far, the only counter has been the wonderful South Park episode which took it apart for the bulls*** it is).

    I'm sorry, but the premise of the show nauseates me. A bunch of homosexuals trying to "improve" ordinary men into something "better" (ie. more acceptable to women): changing the guy's clothes, his home decor, his music -- for f***'s sake, what kind of guy would allow these people to change his life around?

    (I actually like the show....but he has a point)

    Yes, the men are, by and large, slobs. Big f***ing deal. Last time I looked, that's normal. Men are slobs, and that only changes when women try to civilize them by marriage. That's the natural order of things.

    Real men, on the other hand, have big ****ing mean-ass dogs: Rhodesian ridgebacks, bull terriers and Rottweilers, or else working dogs like pointers or retrievers which go hunting with them and slobber all over the furniture.

    Women own lapdogs.

    Which is why women are trying to get dog-fighting and cock-fighting banned -- they'd ban boxing too, if they could -- because it's "mean and cruel". No ****, Shirley. Hell, I don't like the idea of fighting dogs, either, but I don't have a problem with men who do. Dogs and cocks fight. So do men. No wonder we have an affinity for it.

    My website has become fairly popular with men, and in the beginning, this really surprised me, because I didn't think I was doing anything special.

    That's not what I think now. I must have had well over five thousand men write to me to say stuff like "Yes! I agree! I was so angry when I read about [insert atrocity of choice], but I though I was the only one."

    No, you're not alone, my friends, and nor am I.

    Out there, there is a huge number of men who are sick of it. We're sick of being made figures of fun and ridicule; we're sick of having girly-men like journalists, advertising agency execs and movie stars decide on "what is a man"; we're sick of women treating us like children, and we're really f***ing sick of girly-men politicians who pander to women by passing an ever-increasing raft of Nanny laws and regulations (the legal equivalent of public-school Ritalin), which prevent us from hunting, racing our cars and motorcycles, smoking, flirting with women at the office, getting into fistfights over women, shooting criminals and doing all the fine things which being a man entails.

    When Annika Sorenstam was allowed to play in that tournament on the men's PGA tour, all the men should have refused to play -- Vijay Singh was the only one with balls to stand up for a principle, and he was absolutely excoriated for being a "chauvinist". Bull****. He wasn't a chauvinist, he was being a man. All the rest of the players -- Woods, Mickleson, the lot -- are girls by comparison. And, needless to say, Vijay isn't an American, nor a European, which is probably why he still has a pair hanging between his legs, and they're not hanging on the wall as his wife's trophy.

    F*** this, I'm sick of it.

    I don't see why I should put up with this bull**** any longer -- hell, I don't see why any man should put up with this bull**** any longer.

    I don't see why men should have become feminized, accept that we allowed it to happen -- and you know why we let it happen? Because it's goddamned easier to do so. Unfortunately, we've allowed it to go too far, and our maleness has become too pussified for words.

    At this point, I could have gone two ways: the first would be to say, "...and I don't know if we'll get it back. The process has become too entrenched, the cultural zeitgeist of men as girls has become part of the social fabric, and there's not much we can do about it."

    But I'm not going to do that. To quote John Belushi (who was, incidentally, a real man and not a ****ing woman): "Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

    Well, I'm not going to quit. Fu*** that. One of the characteristics of the non-pussified man (and this should strike fear into the hearts of women and girly-men everywhere) is that he never quits just because the odds seem overwhelming.

    Omaha Beach, guys.

    I want a real man as President -- not Al Gore, who had to hire a consultant to show him how to be an Alpha male, and french-kiss his wife on live TV to "prove" to the world that he was a man, when we all knew that real men don't have to do that s***.

    And I want the Real Man President to surround himself with other Real Men, like Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, and yes, Rice (who is more of a Real Man than those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta).

    I want our government to be more like Dad -- kind, helpful, but not afraid to punish us when we f*** up, instead of helping us excuse our actions.

    I want our government of real men to start rolling back the Nanny State, in all its horrible manifestations of over-protectiveness, intrusiveness and "Mommy Knows Best What's Good For You" regulations.

    I want our culture to become more male -- not the satirical kind of male, like The Man Show, or the cartoonish figures of Stallone, Van Damme or Schwartzenegger. (Note to the Hollywood execs: We absolutely ****ing loathe chick movies about feelings and relationships and all that feminine jive. We want more John Waynes, Robert Mitchums, Bruce Willises, and Clint Eastwoods. Never mind that it's simplistic -- we like simple, we are simple, we are men -- our lives are uncomplicated, and we like it that way. We Were Soldiers was a great movie, and you know why? Because you could have cut out all the female parts, and it still would have been a great movie, because it was about Real Men. Try cutting out all the female parts in a Woody Allen movie -- you'd end up with the opening and closing credits.)

    I want our literature to become more male, less female. Men shouldn't buy "self-help" books unless the subject matter is car maintenance, golf swing improvement or how to disassemble a f***ing Browning BAR. We don't improve ourselves, we improve our stuff.

    And finally, I want men everywhere to going back to being Real Men. To open doors for women, to drive fast cars, to smoke cigars after a meal, to get drunk occasionally and, in the words of Col. Jeff Cooper, one of the last of the Real Men: "to stand tall, shoot straight, and speak the truth."

    In every sense of the word. We know what the word "is" means.

    Because that's all that being a Real Man involves. You don't have to become a f***ing cartoon male, either: I'm not going back to stoning women for adultery like those Muslims do, nor am I suggesting we support that perversion of being a Real Man, gangsta rap artists (those f***ing ******* -- they wouldn't last thirty seconds against a couple of genuine tough guys that I know).

    Speaking of rap music, do you want to know why more White boys buy that crap than Black boys do? You know why rape is such a problem on college campuses? Why binge drinking is a problem among college freshmen?

    It's a reaction: a reaction against being pussified. And I understand it, completely. Young males are aggressive, they do fight amongst themselves, they are destructive, and all this does happen for a purpose.

    Because only the strong men propagate.

    And women know it. You want to know why I know this to be true? Because powerful men still attract women. Women, even liberal women, swooned over George Bush in a naval aviator's uniform. Donald Trump still gets access to some of the most beautiful ***** available, despite looking like a medieval gargoyle. Donald Rumsfeld, if he wanted to, could fu***% of all women over 50 if he wanted to, and a goodly portion of younger ones too.

    And he won't. Because Rummy's been married to the same woman for fifty years, and he wouldn't toss that away for a quickie. He's a Real Man. No wonder the Euros hate and fear him.

    We'd better get more like him, we'd better become more like him, because if we don't, men will become a footnote to history.
  2. To remove this ad click here.

  3. alanhenson

    alanhenson Formula 3

    Dec 2, 2003
    This is exactly why I married a Brasillian woman. She knows how to be a lady and let a man be a man.
  4. JonBrent

    JonBrent Formula Junior

    Nov 10, 2003
    Heaven on Earth
    Full Name:
    Off to Politics & Religion with you.......
  5. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Global Moderator
    Global Moderator Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Dec 10, 2003
    The Sunshine State
    Full Name:

    now tell me, are all of these real men registered republicans??

    I drive a Ferrari, a Land Rover, and an M3. I walk a Mastiff named Bijou. She doesn't seem any worse for the wear having a feminine name, or gender.

    My wife is a retired FBI agent. I hold the car door for her. She can shoot better than I can. (So, I'd better hold the door.)

    My sons hold doors for women, and can shoot straight. They've been out to the farm with me skeet shooting and target shooting. They've had gun safety instruction, too. They like to drive cars, fast cars, safely. My younger son and I are off to Bondurant, or the equivalent, as soon as the football season is over.

    My older son plays guitar, loves music and is a restlessly curious intellictual. My younger son is a wide receiver on the football team and solid "A" student. Both are "real men" in the truest sense.

    Both respect women and understand that they may not fit into your definitiom of what men are "supposed" to be. That women can be strong, independent, intelligent, free spirited and don't need to know their place.

    Warning labels are there because we have become a society run by idiots. I actually had an OSHA inspector tell me my machines had to be safe enough that a monkey could run them without injury. I could take your agrument apart one line at a time, but then my counter to your rant would be longer than anyone would like to read.

    Men aren't sissyfied, they are adapting. We are no longer cave men either. Did you meet your current wife/girlfriend while hunting and gathering?

    Get a grip man. If you don't like the way your world is, find a country where women are objectified, and kept in their place, then move there. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan and I'm sure there are lots more.

    By the way, I think it was Dear Abby that said , "The use of profanity to communicate is the sign of lazy language skills." I didn't always agree with her, but in this case......

    Then again, just by reading her column, I guess I fall in to that category of males that you are railing against. Although for those who know me, I think not.
  6. moretti

    moretti Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Nov 1, 2003
    Full Name:
    what a sad person, must be a long time since a woman has spoken to you with such an attitude.

    Some of us have progressed pass the caveman stage
  7. To remove this ad click here.

  8. wax

    wax Four Time F1 World Champ
    Advising Moderator

    Jul 20, 2003
    Full Name:
    Dirty Harry
    Here's the Savior's site:

    The difference between an animal in the wild, and a wild animal that's been domesticated - one stopped thinking and in so doing, stopped being able to survive and adapt on it's own to any given terrain. That same one can't catch it's own dinner or do a proper mating ritual if it's life depended on it - even if the mating didn't depend on being the alpha-male of the herd. Guess which one it is?

  9. Glassman

    Glassman F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 23, 2002

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

    Nov 1, 2003
    Victory Circle
    Full Name:
    I agree with a lot of that, Euro & US men have to some extent lost control of their women. In places like South America, Japan, & other places men are respected & being macho is a positive & sexual harassment suits dont exist
  11. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ

    Aug 3, 2002
    Full Name:
    Carbon McCoy
    ROTFLMAO...!!! i can't believe i read that whole thing...

    Wax, thanks for linking his site...


    Below, is a direct post from Kim, himself, on his own site:

    09:53am: Lazy Day
    Sorry, got up a little late today, and I'm enjoying my coffee and reading the email (!!!!!).

    Spleen and invective (ie. normal service) will resume shortly.

    Update: I had a post all ready to go, but The Mrs. told me if I posted it, she wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the day. So much for that.

    Of course, just having written the damn thing has earned me the Glacial Marital Silence (all husbands will know what I'm talking about), so I think I'll just go and clean some guns instead.

    What happened to NOT being "pussified"...? LMAO...!!! His wife tells him how to run his anti-women website...?!? and i'M "pussified" because i think equal rights is the right thing...? LMAO...!!!

    This is a great thread, keep this right here; there aren't enough brain cells in the initial post to move it to the Political section... This guy is a total moron who's seriously mentally ill... He DEFINITELY need some help... i'd venture to say that he was abused as a child, probably by his father, who probably told him he was never good enough to be his son or some stupid **** like that; i bet he's clean, no drugs, no alcohol, probably not even any cigarettes, but he MIGHT be "in the closet" (not that i have anything against that)... This guy is a total nut case... It's folks like him that drove Freud to heavy amounts of cocaine...
  12. To remove this ad click here.

  13. coolestkidever

    coolestkidever F1 Veteran

    Feb 28, 2004
    Full Name:
    "I'm going to illustrate this by talking about TV, because TV is a reliable barometer of our culture."

    I liked that, that was a good line. But the rest of it was terrible i dont want to talk aabout it really
  14. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Interesting and there are a few things I actually agree with the guy on ... but is point his lost in a confused ramble ;).

    I also find this program to be saying that straight guys do not live right ... and it pisses me off completely. I'd rather watch a normal guy go around to a poof's house and sort him out by creating a work bench and showing them how to use a vice and hit something with a hammer ;)

    Note: I have nothing against gay people, they can have sex with who ever they like ... BUT don't try and tell me how to live my life OR tell me that their way is better than anybody elses.

    I know the show is supposed to be funny ... but this Kiwi hates it.


    Er, is he insane ... the dogs and cocks don't want to fight they are bred and forced to fight ... this is not a natural thing. Yes they do fight in the wild but this is not a bunch of people watching a nature show ... but gambling over which animal is going to win or die.

    No need to tell her not to play ... she made enough of an idiot of herself that she won't be back.

    True but correct and wise use of the brain is the best form of defence ... or attack, otherwise we would still be fighting with rocks and sticks ;)

    I must admit though, why does this guy have such a girly name, I mean Kim ... where I come from there isn't many men with that name :D

  15. wax

    wax Four Time F1 World Champ
    Advising Moderator

    Jul 20, 2003
    Full Name:
    Dirty Harry
    Cheaper to keep her. <Scratches Kim's name off list of demi-gods.>
  16. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Reading NNO's and Wax's replies I have come to the conclusion that poor Kim sounds like he needs a shed ... a no women zone shed (except for calendars ofcourse ;)).

    A man without a shed and thus his space is a very sad man indeed ;)

  17. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

    Oct 31, 2003
    Full Name:
    Raymond Luxury Yacht
    There was also a time when a man could rape a woman and pretty much nothing ever happened to him because "she was asking for it", etc, etc. It used to be that a man grabbing a womans butt at her work was normal, and when a backhand to the face now and again was "just keeping her in line".

    Gee, how I long for those old days... I bet my GF does too <sarcasm>

    I can't believe the BS women STILL have to put up with in this world from men. I think 99% of men are still way too stupid, macho, pathetic and rude to the women of this world.

    Isn't it funny how on the one hand we decry the way women are treated in many Arab nations, yet some of us openly advocate a regression from our current position back to their way of behaviour towards women.

    A reality check for anyone who believes the original tripe posted... women respect men who respect them. Being even tempered, a little protective, strong of character and confident enough in themselves and their masulinity not to have to "win every fight" or be "the leader" in the relationship. Sure, some women want a man to lead them and dominate them - and some men like that in a woman. Both have serious "issues" IMO.
  18. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Excellent post ... and so correct and right. Somebody should post this on Kim's site!

    Er, you mean you guys don't ... ;) :D

    ps: I feel bad now that I felt somewhat in agree-ance (sp?) with some of his points. But I still hate that program ;)
  19. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Global Moderator
    Global Moderator Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Dec 10, 2003
    The Sunshine State
    Full Name:
    #16 dm_n_stuff, Aug 5, 2004
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    From his bio.

    "Kim du Toit was born and raised in Johannesburg, South Africa. Kim emigrated to the United States in 1986.

    A graduate of St. John's College, he next began a Philosophy degree, but soon abandoned the idea--attending university didn't help him towards his goal of becoming educated.

    Kim is the living embodiment of contradictions:

    a White African-American with a girl's first name and a French last name;
    values the sanctity of marriage, but is married to his third wife;
    attended a religious boarding school, but is an atheist;
    trained chorister, but played bass guitar in a rock band;
    conservative gun nut and hunter, but also an animal-lover whose pets are spoiled rotten;
    and finally, a most politically-incorrect story teller who also experienced a brief stint in a South African jail for protesting against apartheid.
    Kim, proudly, became a U.S. citizen in 1989. Having fled the liberals in Chicago, Illinois, Kim now lives in north Texas. He still hates Mayor Daley."

    This guy is all over the map. What a bio! This, I believe, is the right wing nut job we've all been looking for.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
  20. Evolved

    Evolved F1 Veteran

    Nov 5, 2003
    Pittsburgh, PA
    #17 Evolved, Aug 5, 2004
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    In response to the original post. Mostof the MEN AND WOMEN I socialize and work with have most of the "ideals" you describe as manly. Maybe you should make some new friends?
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
  21. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    It seems he is right.........

    Some here who responded immediately jumped to the defence of women........were none was warranted.

    The subjegation and denigration of women (which I abhor and do not condone) is not the subject of this essay in any way shape or form.

    But...because those of you who may have already been "pussified" to some extent can't see thru your liberally placed rose colored blinders you missed it completely.

  22. milstanselnino

    milstanselnino Formula Junior

    Jan 8, 2004
    Full Name:
    Jon P.
    I guess I am "pussified" because I'm not a neanderthal.
  23. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Global Moderator
    Global Moderator Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Dec 10, 2003
    The Sunshine State
    Full Name:
    I swore off personal attacks for a month with Maranelloman, so, I'll try to stay professional.

    What a crock. You post this to infuriate and incite, and then claim we're pussified because we react with sensibility..

    What a pile of crap... It must be... arrgghhh....

    Ok, I'm gonna shut up now.
  24. Spasso

    Spasso F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 16, 2003
    Land of Slugs & Moss
    Full Name:
    Han Solo
    ...........and what the hell does THAT have to do with warped thinking?

    .................and you think Freud pounding Cocaine is better?

    Note: I am not defending what Kim is saying but the above two comments are irrelevant to the issue.

    Oh yeah, I've been clean for 15 years and my awareness and perception of reality of the world around me is far and above the boozer and the junkie.
  25. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ


    I didn't post this to start a flame war......and it seems the article writer has made his point accurately, because if it appears perhaps that you and others are mad at me as a result.......then so be it. I can easily accept that misplaced anger (hint...a mirror will help you resolve it)...... I'm off to get my weekly hand massage to help out my scraped knuckles......heh.
  26. whart

    whart F1 Veteran

    Dec 5, 2001
    Grandview NY
    Full Name:
    Herr Prof.
    I dunno. I think he doth protest too much. One doesn't have to make an issue of out being a man to be one. Nor does one have to be a Ne·an·der·tal to prove it.
  27. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    Thank you an obviously succesfull lawyer you have the innate ability to read between the lines........
  28. whart

    whart F1 Veteran

    Dec 5, 2001
    Grandview NY
    Full Name:
    Herr Prof.
    PS. I still found the Fight Club fascinating for this very reason.

Share This Page